@MyUsernameWasTaken It’s not that much of a stretch. Both Activision and Nintendo didn’t want thrm, and we all know the mediocrity of Rare’s Xbox output. There were clearly problems.
Sega’s relationship with their past is so confusing. They seem to want to distance themselves from their previous successes for some inexplicable reason, yet they periodically make noises about reviving past games that never actually happen. At the same time, they only seem to care about Sonic and Yakuza games, two franchises that started 35 and 21 years ago respectively. They need to take a page from Nintendo’s book and realize that there aren’t old games and new games, only games. If people want to buy a port of Jet Set Radio, sell it to them. It doesn’t stop you from making whatever new games you want.
This game was definitely...something? I played it when I was a kid, and remember getting lost and not knowing where to go a lot, but that kind of contributed to the sense of unease, along with Jason suddenly appearing out of nowhere.
That’s too bad, they really improved their product line over the years. I just wish that they had released a proper deluxe Ms Pac Man cabinet (i.e. one that looked like the original cabinet).
Lol, “10-year study” is doing some heavy lifting. One rando on Youtube retrobrighted a Dreamcast that turned out bad, so now retrobrighting is harmful?
@MontyCircus The Sega Retro article makes it seem like the Master System name came about by accident after the system was launched, which I just don’t believe and haven’t seen a good source for. Early pre-launch marketing aside, by the time the system was going to manufacture, it was clearly called the Sega Master System, which is printed on the system. Sega (or Bruce Lowry in particular, who had just launched the NES) didn’t just forget to give the system a proper name, or give Sega Japan the wrong name to put on the system.
I’ve always been confused by the assertion that “Sega Master System” wasn’t originally the system’s US name. If it wasn’t “Master System” then what was it? Power Base was just the Sega equivalent of the NES’s Control Deck, right? If Master System was just the name of a bundle, what name was printed on consoles included in the other bundles?
This was the first video game secret I remember discovering. No internet, no Google, no way to find out what caused the room I had been to many times before to change into something different randomly. I imagined that Chris Houlihan must be the son of someone who worked at Nintendo.
Some good stuff in there, really interesting reading about the post-Atari crash as it happened. They seemed to be early supporters of the NES, or at least supporters of anything that could bring the US game industry back from the dead. Although the October 1985 issue mentioned the upcoming launch of the NES almost as an afterthought to the upcoming launch of the Intellivision System III, which was apparently an Intellivision with a new LED power light.
The per-hour pricing model is not the best, it would be better to charge more per entry. Most customers aren't going to spend hours and hours playing arcade games, and would be fine with paying a higher entry fee with better perceived value, even if they wouldn't actually play more than an hour. And besides, is someone actually monitoring how long people play? Are people being kicked out after an hour?
I can only assume the OutRun license was bought for pennies. It's not a bad name for a dumb racing movie, and a dumb racing movie with the OutRun 80's California sunshine aesthetic wouldn't be a terrible idea, or at least no more terrible than the 1000 Fast and Furious movies.
Arcade games from the 70s, 80s, and 90s definitely need that janky looking generic controller. I guess racing games could use an analogue joystick? If they were serious about this, there would be an arcade stick.
@Grackler He's not dismissing them because they weren't popular in the US, he's dismissing them because they apparently weren't that popular in Europe, either, based on your sales figures. Are those numbers for all of Europe, or just the UK? If it's just the UK, I can see how someone living in the UK would have the impression that these computers were incredibly popular.
@Grackler Except that's not what he's saying at all, and no serious historian has ever said anything remotely close to your assertions. All he said was that sales of home computers in Europe were comparatively small, and no one's provided sales figures to contradict him.
"Why don't Americans pay more attention to Europe? Don't they realize how important and interesting we are? They're so arrogant." - Europeans, apparently.
I mean, has anyone provided comprehensive data on the European home PC market that would contradict Jeff Grubb? He may be completely wrong, but all I see I see is sputtering nerd rage about how it feels like their favorite childhood products were really big and super important.
Regardless of anything else, that “#1 Choice for Physical Publishing” image is just cringe. By what criteria? I’m sure Nintendo or Sony are actually the #1 choice for physical publishing, unless you make the parameters “The #1 Choice for Physical Publishing When There Are No Other Options”.
I mean, it’s a Japanese language review that was published in a Japanese language magazine. Did Random Twitter Person try searching Japanese websites, or did he just Google “Famitsu Zelda review”?
Aren't magazines pretty much dead already, regardless of WH Smith closing stores? It's just another nail in a coffin that already has plenty of nails.
I can't remember the last time I actually bought a magazine, but I was tempted to buy one a few weeks ago but it was something like $20. Forget that. I know they have to raise the price since the print runs are so much smaller than they used to be, but come on. It's like an unsuccessful restaurant who has to raise their prices to stay in business, but that turns off their customer base even more, so they have to raise their prices even more, and then they close. This is the death spiral magazines are in now.
This guy looks like he smells like cheap tequila and stale Cheetos, yet people still gave him money. A child would be able to tell that he is a con artist just from one glance.
What “myth” was broken exactly? Decades of work using tools that weren’t available to developers in the 90s can create a Mega Drive soundtrack that’s almost as good as the Super NES soundtrack?
Do people actually believe this guy has a Lamborghini? I guess he could have won the lottery or have rich parents, but based on his videos, he appears to have the net worth of part-time gas station clerk.
I wonder if there are people who are still gullible enough to think this isn't a scam run by a con artist. Hah, probably.
Although con "artist" is probably too complimentary, since it implies he made some effort to disguise the fact that this is a scam, when in fact, he did everything he could to make it clear that it was a scam.
It’s interesting how different this is from the SuperSega. One is hardware created by a small group of enthusiasts, the other is an obvious scam created by con artists. Which is which? Only those with above room temperature IQ can spot the difference.
Looking at the Mega CD release list, it seems like Sega just gave up on the Japanese market from the beginning and focused on the Western market. The second Japanese Mega CD game released by Sega was Quiz Scramble Special. It doesn’t look like Sega released any remotely interesting games in Japan until Spring 1993, nearly a year and a half after the Mega CD launched, and those were just ports of Final Fight and Sim Earth.
I would buy the hell out of an iPod with WiFi, but that’s probably a very niche market. I listen to a lot of podcasts, so I would want to be able to access new podcasts without constantly connecting to a computer to update. My dream would be an iPod Classic with a click wheel, Bluetooth, and WiFi. Wouldn’t ever happen, of course, since most people wouldn’t buy something that their iPhone already does.
The fact that Sega hasn’t sued them yet just shows that Sega knows this thing will never be released. On the other hand, they’re apparently charging people’s credit cards and making money off of Sega’s brand name, so maybe that lawsuit will happen after all.
They can’t even get the Master System to run properly and they expect the final prototype to be ready in two months? Also, great job running Saturn Bomberman, now show off Panzer Dragoon.
The first model will be a Mega Drive/Master System FPGA system and the second model will be the one that also has Saturn and Dreamcast. The second model will be twice as expensive and will also never be released.
Is there any chance "Ultra Donkey Kong" was a different game developed in-house and not Donkey Kong 64? Of course, 90s game magazines just making up things would not be an unheard of occurrence.
It's worth pointing out that this is a UK-based game site, so there's naturally going to be some kind of irritation that the retro game world doesn't revolve around their childhood games. Listening to British gamers talk about retro games is like listening to people who grew up in Soviet bloc countries reminisce about whatever weird Soviet soda they drank instead of Coca Cola. "We didn't have Nintendo or Mario, we had an Amstrad Channel Fairchild, and we loved our Oliver Twins games!"
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Re: Interview: "The Stampers Had Been Frustrated Working For Nintendo" - Xbox Co-Founder Ed Fries On The Deal That Shook The Industry
@MyUsernameWasTaken It’s not that much of a stretch. Both Activision and Nintendo didn’t want thrm, and we all know the mediocrity of Rare’s Xbox output. There were clearly problems.
Re: "No Old, Stay Gold" - It Looks Like Sega Is About To Revive More Of Its Classic Franchises
Sega’s relationship with their past is so confusing. They seem to want to distance themselves from their previous successes for some inexplicable reason, yet they periodically make noises about reviving past games that never actually happen. At the same time, they only seem to care about Sonic and Yakuza games, two franchises that started 35 and 21 years ago respectively. They need to take a page from Nintendo’s book and realize that there aren’t old games and new games, only games. If people want to buy a port of Jet Set Radio, sell it to them. It doesn’t stop you from making whatever new games you want.
Re: "No Old, Stay Gold" - It Looks Like Sega Is About To Revive More Of Its Classic Franchises
That press release is a pointless word salad of PR gibberish.
What happened to the retro game revivals from 2023? Where is Crazy Taxi or Jet Set Radio?
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
I’m not even an SNK fan and I want that white arcade stick.
Re: "I Know Some People Don't Like This" - Final Fight MD's Latest Project Uses GenAI
His previous work was stolen from creators with actual talent, so it makes sense that his new project would be as well.
Re: 37 Years After Its Release, Friday The 13th's Notorious NES Game Has Been Recreated For A Classic Nintendo Handheld
This game was definitely...something? I played it when I was a kid, and remember getting lost and not knowing where to go a lot, but that kind of contributed to the sense of unease, along with Jason suddenly appearing out of nowhere.
Re: Sega Mania Celebrates Five Years With A Cover By Super Play And Rare Artist Wil Overton
I like the guy’s art, but what a weird bunch of characters for to choose for a Sega magazine’s cover.
Re: "Literally Crying Right Now" - 50 Copies Of This Adult-Only Visual Novel Demo Exist, And One Just Got Destroyed In Transit
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Re: "Literally Crying Right Now" - 50 Copies Of This Adult-Only Visual Novel Demo Exist, And One Just Got Destroyed In Transit
“Literally crying” Lol, I hope so.
Re: Atari's Grand Hotel Plan Will Be A "Glowing Monolith Of Light And Motion" In Downtown Phoenix
I will be astonished if this hotel actually opens.
Re: Random: I'm Kicking Myself That I Didn't Know This Fact About The Classic Konami Logo Screen
Not really the observant sort, are we?
Re: Reports Suggest Arcade1Up Is Shutting Down
That’s too bad, they really improved their product line over the years. I just wish that they had released a proper deluxe Ms Pac Man cabinet (i.e. one that looked like the original cabinet).
Re: "Retrobrighting" Might Actually Cause More Harm Than Good To Your Yellowing Consoles
Lol, “10-year study” is doing some heavy lifting. One rando on Youtube retrobrighted a Dreamcast that turned out bad, so now retrobrighting is harmful?
Re: Former Rare Designer Reveals What Shigeru Miyamoto Thought Of Banjo-Kazooie's N64 Sequel
You understand that this is a joke and Miyamoto didn’t write that on a fax in what looks like MS Paint?
Re: Reviving Acclaim's Old IP Is "Not The Objective" As Some Of It Was "Not Great", Says New CEO
"This wasn't just some easy, light decision – 'Let's just get an old brand'. There was a lot of thought that went into it.'"
Insert skeptical Jennifer Lawrence gif
Re: Here's How The Sega Master System Got Its Name
@MontyCircus The Sega Retro article makes it seem like the Master System name came about by accident after the system was launched, which I just don’t believe and haven’t seen a good source for. Early pre-launch marketing aside, by the time the system was going to manufacture, it was clearly called the Sega Master System, which is printed on the system. Sega (or Bruce Lowry in particular, who had just launched the NES) didn’t just forget to give the system a proper name, or give Sega Japan the wrong name to put on the system.
Re: Here's How The Sega Master System Got Its Name
I’ve always been confused by the assertion that “Sega Master System” wasn’t originally the system’s US name. If it wasn’t “Master System” then what was it? Power Base was just the Sega equivalent of the NES’s Control Deck, right? If Master System was just the name of a bundle, what name was printed on consoles included in the other bundles?
Re: Who Is Chris Houlihan? One Of The Greatest Zelda Mysteries May Have Been Solved
This was the first video game secret I remember discovering. No internet, no Google, no way to find out what caused the room I had been to many times before to change into something different randomly. I imagined that Chris Houlihan must be the son of someone who worked at Nintendo.
Re: VGHF Acquires Rights To Historic Magazine That Covered The Rise Of The NES
Some good stuff in there, really interesting reading about the post-Atari crash as it happened. They seemed to be early supporters of the NES, or at least supporters of anything that could bring the US game industry back from the dead. Although the October 1985 issue mentioned the upcoming launch of the NES almost as an afterthought to the upcoming launch of the Intellivision System III, which was apparently an Intellivision with a new LED power light.
Re: Hands On: G'AIM'E Light Gun - This AI-Powered Blaster Hits The Target
This looks cool, but how are you supposed to pronounce that stupid name? Is it just "game"? "Guh-aym-ay"? "Gaym-ee"?
Guys, the "aim" wordplay wasn't worth it.
Re: "It's Just Not Working" - FreePlay Arcade Will Close Its Doors Later This Month
The per-hour pricing model is not the best, it would be better to charge more per entry. Most customers aren't going to spend hours and hours playing arcade games, and would be fine with paying a higher entry fee with better perceived value, even if they wouldn't actually play more than an hour. And besides, is someone actually monitoring how long people play? Are people being kicked out after an hour?
Re: The Sega Classic OutRun Is Coming To The Big Screen, With Michael Bay Attached To Direct
I can only assume the OutRun license was bought for pennies. It's not a bad name for a dumb racing movie, and a dumb racing movie with the OutRun 80's California sunshine aesthetic wouldn't be a terrible idea, or at least no more terrible than the 1000 Fast and Furious movies.
Re: Recade Wants To Be Netflix For Arcade Games, But It Needs Your Help
Arcade games from the 70s, 80s, and 90s definitely need that janky looking generic controller. I guess racing games could use an analogue joystick? If they were serious about this, there would be an arcade stick.
Re: Namco's 'Ridge Racer' Is Coming To Nintendo Switch 2 At Launch
I hope this means more 3D arcade games in general.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@Grackler He's not dismissing them because they weren't popular in the US, he's dismissing them because they apparently weren't that popular in Europe, either, based on your sales figures. Are those numbers for all of Europe, or just the UK? If it's just the UK, I can see how someone living in the UK would have the impression that these computers were incredibly popular.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
@Grackler Except that's not what he's saying at all, and no serious historian has ever said anything remotely close to your assertions. All he said was that sales of home computers in Europe were comparatively small, and no one's provided sales figures to contradict him.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
"Why don't Americans pay more attention to Europe? Don't they realize how important and interesting we are? They're so arrogant." - Europeans, apparently.
Re: "Poorly Analyzed US-Centric Garbage" - Why Do Americans Keep Ignoring European Gaming History?
I mean, has anyone provided comprehensive data on the European home PC market that would contradict Jeff Grubb? He may be completely wrong, but all I see I see is sputtering nerd rage about how it feels like their favorite childhood products were really big and super important.
Re: SuperSega Back-Pedals With MiSTer FPGA, Aims For Lower Price
You would think he would use some of the vast resources that he has to pull off this engineering miracle and buy a webcam that was made after 2003.
Re: Interview: "We’ve Certainly Made Mistakes" - Limited Run's Boss On Winning Back The Trust Of The Community
Regardless of anything else, that “#1 Choice for Physical Publishing” image is just cringe. By what criteria? I’m sure Nintendo or Sony are actually the #1 choice for physical publishing, unless you make the parameters “The #1 Choice for Physical Publishing When There Are No Other Options”.
Re: Why Famitsu's 'Perfect' Zelda: Ocarina Of Time Review Highlights "The Sorry State Of Preservation"
I mean, it’s a Japanese language review that was published in a Japanese language magazine. Did Random Twitter Person try searching Japanese websites, or did he just Google “Famitsu Zelda review”?
Re: This $200 Gaming Handheld Pays Tribute To The Iconic Nokia N97
“Iconic” is officially the most overused and misused word in the English language. It doesn’t just mean “old”.
Re: With The 233-Year-Old WH Smith's Future In Doubt, We Could Be Losing A Gaming Print Media Institution
Aren't magazines pretty much dead already, regardless of WH Smith closing stores? It's just another nail in a coffin that already has plenty of nails.
I can't remember the last time I actually bought a magazine, but I was tempted to buy one a few weeks ago but it was something like $20. Forget that. I know they have to raise the price since the print runs are so much smaller than they used to be, but come on. It's like an unsuccessful restaurant who has to raise their prices to stay in business, but that turns off their customer base even more, so they have to raise their prices even more, and then they close. This is the death spiral magazines are in now.
Re: SuperSega Refunds Are Still Missing As Creator "Cheats Death"
This guy looks like he smells like cheap tequila and stale Cheetos, yet people still gave him money. A child would be able to tell that he is a con artist just from one glance.
Re: The Genesis Just "Broke Another Myth" By Replicating Classic Castlevania Tunes
What “myth” was broken exactly? Decades of work using tools that weren’t available to developers in the 90s can create a Mega Drive soundtrack that’s almost as good as the Super NES soundtrack?
Re: Talking Point: Is There A Home Port You Prefer To The Arcade Original?
Ninja Gaiden and Contra on NES were dramatically better than the arcade versions. Castlevania, too, if Haunted Castle counts as a Castlevania game
Re: Random: Someone Apparently Thinks Final Fantasy Mystic Quest's Art Is Worth $350,000
I know this type of thing is subjective, but “gorgeous” would not be the word I would use to describe this bland piece of marketing from Square USA.
Re: Why YouTube Censorship Is Causing Headaches For Retro Game Historians
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Re: SuperSega Boss Puts His Beloved Lamborghini Up For Sale After All Pre-Orders Are Refunded
Do people actually believe this guy has a Lamborghini? I guess he could have won the lottery or have rich parents, but based on his videos, he appears to have the net worth of part-time gas station clerk.
Re: It's A Christmas Miracle, SuperSega Now Claims Sega Is Totally OK With Its FPGA Console
I wonder if there are people who are still gullible enough to think this isn't a scam run by a con artist. Hah, probably.
Although con "artist" is probably too complimentary, since it implies he made some effort to disguise the fact that this is a scam, when in fact, he did everything he could to make it clear that it was a scam.
Re: Here's A Better Look At The Promising "All-In-One" MiSTer FPGA Console, Multisystem 2
It’s interesting how different this is from the SuperSega. One is hardware created by a small group of enthusiasts, the other is an obvious scam created by con artists. Which is which? Only those with above room temperature IQ can spot the difference.
Re: Talking Point: Are Nintendo's Legal "Ninjas" Stifling The Creativity Of Tomorrow's Game Makers?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headlines
Re: Flashback: Remembering Sega's Dismal Mega CD Debut, Wakusei Woodstock: Funky Horror Band
Looking at the Mega CD release list, it seems like Sega just gave up on the Japanese market from the beginning and focused on the Western market. The second Japanese Mega CD game released by Sega was Quiz Scramble Special. It doesn’t look like Sega released any remotely interesting games in Japan until Spring 1993, nearly a year and a half after the Mega CD launched, and those were just ports of Final Fight and Sim Earth.
Re: MiSTer Pi Creator Taki Udon Is Turning His Attention To The iPod
I would buy the hell out of an iPod with WiFi, but that’s probably a very niche market. I listen to a lot of podcasts, so I would want to be able to access new podcasts without constantly connecting to a computer to update. My dream would be an iPod Classic with a click wheel, Bluetooth, and WiFi. Wouldn’t ever happen, of course, since most people wouldn’t buy something that their iPhone already does.
Re: SuperSega Explains Why It Produces Such "Crappy" Videos, Says It's Afraid Analogue Will Steal Its Ideas
The fact that Sega hasn’t sued them yet just shows that Sega knows this thing will never be released. On the other hand, they’re apparently charging people’s credit cards and making money off of Sega’s brand name, so maybe that lawsuit will happen after all.
Re: SuperSega FPGA Console Shown Running Master System, Genesis And Saturn Games
They can’t even get the Master System to run properly and they expect the final prototype to be ready in two months? Also, great job running Saturn Bomberman, now show off Panzer Dragoon.
Re: SuperSega FPGA Team Understands Why You Think Its Console Is "Vapourware"
The first model will be a Mega Drive/Master System FPGA system and the second model will be the one that also has Saturn and Dreamcast. The second model will be twice as expensive and will also never be released.
Re: New YouTube Video Debunks Old 'Ultra Donkey Kong' 64DD Rumour
Is there any chance "Ultra Donkey Kong" was a different game developed in-house and not Donkey Kong 64? Of course, 90s game magazines just making up things would not be an unheard of occurrence.
Re: Talking Point: Does Video Game History Have A "Nintendo Problem"?
It's worth pointing out that this is a UK-based game site, so there's naturally going to be some kind of irritation that the retro game world doesn't revolve around their childhood games. Listening to British gamers talk about retro games is like listening to people who grew up in Soviet bloc countries reminisce about whatever weird Soviet soda they drank instead of Coca Cola. "We didn't have Nintendo or Mario, we had an Amstrad Channel Fairchild, and we loved our Oliver Twins games!"
Re: Talking Point: Does Video Game History Have A "Nintendo Problem"?
Lol, what a silly article. "Why aren't more people talking about a game series that wasn't as popular or good as the Banjo series?"