@-wc-
NL is mostly full of 20-something year olds, which is totally fine and to be expected, as I was in around 2010, but it often feels like you're just talking to yourself because 95% of the forum peeps can't relate, nor do they have any interest in retro gaming pre-GameCube, if 80's & 90's gaming is brought up in the discussion. Even somebody at 30 can't relate to anything to the 90's since they were essentially kids of the 2000's.
And ya, NL's General forum I'd say is the sweet spot, now that the Retro forum has practically flat lined since 2015 or so.
I can't imagine forums in general lasting that much longer. Just imagine how much more activity and popularity TimeExtension would garnered if it were circa' 2005-2010 right now.
YouTube may offer all the variety in the world, but you're essentially stuck in a cesspool with mostly one off conversations that usually aren't conversations, because the other person throwing down a comment is doing it on some cumbersome smart phone, with a small screen & touch keys. That right there is a barrier that will prevent most people from responding back with something worthwhile and meaningful compared to being online and hitting up the forums in the 2000's when every body was using a desktop PC, or laptop with a keyboard.
Plus, TiqTock brain rot is at an all time high with dwindeling attention spans aplenty' There's so many people online trying to engage with others for the love of the hobbie, but more often than not, when opinions collide and don't align, they generally just ignore and bounce.
And WaveBoy was the name I used back in 2010-2013. Then i eventually switched it up to NeonPizza. I think it's finally time to ascend.....To TurboBurger. That, or NitroSalami. lol
@heligo
Haha. I loved the long box NA RE1 cover back in 96. With the bizzare patterened background, two giant turantulas, and chris looking as if he's spiraling out of control and having a complete unhinged Nick cage' melt down. lol
@BLAZINOAH I'll be playing on both CRT and a QD-OLED TV. The main reason I want these cartridges is to bypass all of that emulation lag that's stemming from Hamster's Neogeo Arcade Archives.
Do the new Physical Neogeo titles have any additional latency, or the exact same amount of default latency, if there was any(depending on the game) compared to the older original Neogeo carts?
I wish those Black NG Gamepads could be used with a wired detachable cable too for the lowest amount of lag if possible. If not, whatever, as long as it's really low over wireless. Like below 5ms.
And i recently went back and played the Neogeo Arcade Archive emulation for Metal Slug, and holy bat balls was the slow down horrendous. Not even worth playing through as is imo. I've beaten it in the past, but the slow down really drags down the experience. Hopefully overclock mode with the AES+ can lock it at 30fps without a hitch.
Favourite RE experience of all time, right when it launched in the spring of 96'. I'll never forget seeing it's long box PS1 case with Chris Redfield and those turantula's swarming the cover art at my local MicroPlay's PS1 rental section. There was simply nothing else like it other than obviously Alone in the Dark for PC, to an extent, for those that actutally managed to get their hands on it.
I managed to at a friends, and while ALITD was definietly unique, bizzare, eye catching, and boarderline other worldy especially after being so accustomed to the 16-bit era back in 92'-ish, it was still no RE1. But to be fair, there's about a 4 year gap between the two, so that's to be expected.
And don't get me wrong RE2 was great and all, but the police station+Museum hybrid setting was kind of depressing vs the lavish more colorful spooky mansion of RE1, the soundtrack and characters imo didn't whatsoever hold a candle to that of the OG, and it 100% lost that B-movie George A Romero-like charm and aesthetic. RE2 was more cinematic and teetered heavier on the action. Still a fantastic sequal, yet i had a greater experience with the RE2 Remake on PS5(120fps mode). That's thee' way to experience RE2 imo. The OG is truly a product of it's time.
As for the green blood...Even the default/stock green blood in House of the Dead 2 for Dreamcast never felt right to me. Can't imagine it being any different for RE. Save the green blood for Zombies ate my neighbours on SNES. Fits perfectly for that!
@-wc-
Ya, I think I'm vacating NL. Not that anybody really gives a sh**. YouTube has essentially killed the forums. Plus i don't appreciate NL belittling their audience, essentially telling them to 'touch grass' over that StarFox mario poster was hysterical.
If you were to throw the exact same insult back their way, you'd get banned by the snowflake hammer. And they wouldn't even bother to email you explaining why. The entitlement, double standards and never really being able to take accountability for their actions seems like an ongoing trend. That semi spoiler, if you can even consider it that didn't bother me at all, but they should of kept it classy and professional and refrained from the belitilling.
NL peaked during the late 2000's and earlier 2010's imo. Now it just feels mostly like an extended marketing vehicle for Nintendo, basically a hive mind flooded with mostly fanboys that expect everybody elses opinion to align with their own, just so they can hype ride off each other and selflishly fuel their hobby. I value honesty, not toxic positivity. Once opinions start to differ they'll peel away, eventually ignore you and then turn on you on a dime haha. That's the internet for ya! When it's just internet rando's conversing with one another, and there's no real world relationship at play, everybody is disposable.
I feel like i'm talking to the same 3-something people on NL, while most of my comments get ignored. I like TimeExtension better simply because retro is my bread & butter, but it's even less active than NL.
One thing about the black OG NeoGeo is that he has to be the blandest(Yet classy) looking console to come rolling out of the 90's, and the carts are a bit horrendous. NES, Genesis(Model 1), SNES, PS1(With the original Analog Stick-less 95' controller), N64 and the all mighty Sega Dreamcast smoke NG AES in the looks department.
Heck, I'd even say the Sega Saturn(NA 95 version, with it's NA mantary-orgonomically styled controller) looked more appealing and unique as well, and even the NES Top Loader.
Neogeo AES design wise is pretty much neck and neck with the Panasonic 3DO, Atari Jaguar and Genesis(Model 2). Although the new Neogeo AES+(White Anniversary Edition) paired with those two black colored button'd NG Gamepads will look pretty awesome. It gives it that much needed vibrancy, pop and all of the colors just blend well and contrast well with one another. Now that's what you call a console hotness redemption. lol
@PopetheRev28
I grew up playing both Fatal Fury 1&2 with friends back in the arcades, and neither hold up imo, not even Special. FF3 is when the gameplay started to get faster and more responsive similar to SF Turbo.
Real Bout 2 is excellent too. That's end game FF imo. But my fighting game days are nearly coming to a close. Friends are no longer into gaming, playing against the computter is a bore and NG AES+ doesn't have online. Vhat' to do!
As long as they continue to release new physical copies for more Neogeo games beyond the initial 10 release titles. Really want Metal Slug X&3, World Heroes 2, King of Monsters 1&2, Savage Reign, Fatal Fury 2, Samurai Showdown, Prehistoric Isle 2, just to name a few.
@Deuteros
I really want that brand new physical copy of Magician Lord. I must of grew up playing just over 10 NeoGeo Arcade Games back in the early to mid 90's, but never Magician Lord, not even Metal Slug 3. All i can remember is King of the Monsters, Metal Slug 1&2, World Heroes 1&2, Bust-A-Move 2, Samurai Showdown, Fatal Fury 1&2, Art of Fighting 1 or 2, and one of the earlier King of Fighters.
My nostalgia towards ML actually stems from unboxing my NS1 back in 2020(Late to the party!) at my Cousin and niece's house. Blaster Master Zero, DOOM(93) & Magician Lord(Neogeo Archives. I was curious just because HappyConsoleGamer would always praise it to bits from time to time), were some of the few games i first bought digitially during my cheat launch.
ML's music is just legendary, wonderful art style and brute(in a good way) challenge aside. I'm sure I would of loved that one back in the arcades as a kid if i ever stumbled across it. Same thing applies to Savage Reign, Blue's Journey, Karnov's Revenge, Metal Slug 3, Ninja Combat, Ninja Commando, Shock Troopers, etc.
@-wc-
Most decent modern 4K HDTV's, Samsung QD-OLED & LG OLED being the best examples have around 10ms in game mode when running games at 60fps. Then you get 5ms(CRT-tier/near instantaneous) when running games at 120fps on NS2 & PS5/PS5 Pro.
Maybe your friends and family are rocking older LED TVs and plasma's. If that's the case, get ready for a Hungry hungry hippo hurricane of looney tunes latency coming your way. lol Makes your character feel as he's downed a brick milkshake, while wearing metal pants and a ball & chain strapped to his ankle.
It's so wild, how even just 1 frame(17ms) compared to a lag free CRT yields a difference. The Games wind up feeling more enjoyable and responsive to play on CRT. it's like you're one with your controller! As for testing not entirely sure. They used to use that Leo Bondar-thing to accurately test for lag. Google or YouTube it and you'll get some answers.
Not too sure if i want to spend more money on any more Arcade Archives games. Can't believe how bad the lag is in Super Mario Bros Vs/Arcade compared to the NES cart on real hardware, on the same OLED TV with an FPGA NES console like the AVS. But everybodies threshold is different. The problem is, most people don't have an actual reference(OG hardware & Software etc) to compare it to. So they don't know what they're missing.
Fun fact. The NS1 Pro controller has been confirmed and tested(By ShcmupJunkie on YT) to have around 12ms more lag than the Joy-Con 1's, but he never stated how much lag the the JCN1's have. 12ms more is crazy. And Pro 1 has more lag when used wired. Yet supposedly it's the opposite for NS2. Pro 2 controller is said to have around 8ms of lag wired, yet more wireless. Meanwhile, original wired Nes, Snes, N64(etc) controls for their consoles probably have no more than 1ms.
So ya, 10ms of lag from your OLED TV at 60fps, however much lag from the controller you're using, and then emulation lag will be at least 17ms/1 frame best case scenario. I can't imagine that black wired Neogeo+ Arcade stick having anymore than maybe 1-3ms of lag. Once NG+ release in Nov, I'm sure there's bound to be latency test results online.
@jamess
I was a total lag weezle doing all of that testing back in the late 2000's/early 2010's with my CRT's and HDTV's. lol But yes, 1 frame definitely makes a difference. As for OLED, they now all have the same 1ms motion persistence + Sample and hold. QD Mini-LED's have a slower motion responsive time(Each model varies), but OLED's are always around 1ms.
My LG C1, which is just an OK TV(SDR Game mode is dim, has severe shadow detail crushing/black crushing and i can't stand WOLED color vs QD etc, but it has far more robust black frame insertion settings, and supports 120fps BFI.
But each and every BFI setting is problematic, because they crush more shadow detail, double input lag(At least with 60fps BFI), you'll get BFI flicks, and too much brightness loss. The C1 can't afford to be losing any brightness period in SDR game mode.
But what's neat about those settings, is that i know exactly how much blur they're reducing by percentage. According to PlasmaGamingTV on YT. LG C1's motion pro high setting for 60fps games, reducing OLED motion blur by 62%. Motion pro Medium when running a game at 120fps reducing the blur by 75%, and 120fps + MP High cuts it down in the 80's. 120fps by itself is obviously a 50% cut.
Either way, it's mostly just a tease because those settings have too many draw backs, but it's cool to see the differences.
If you buy a modern day QD-OLED, the only way to reduce 50% of the blur is by either running a PS5/NS2 game at 120fps, or by using a Samsung QD-OLED's motion interpolation game mode setting, which brute forces a higher frame rate into 60fps games, but then you double the input lag up to a whopping 20ms from 10, and there's motion artifacts.
There's also external devices like RetroTINK4K, that removes 50% using it's 120hz BFI setting for all 60fps. It's limited to 1080p, has BFI flicker, and will gobble up probably around 50% of your TV's SDR game mode brightness, but you can reinforce HDR brightness into SDR using once if it's setting to get you close to where you originally were. It will had 2ms of lag just by using TINK4K, 8ms from it's 120hz BFI and however much from your TV. I keep getting different answers online, and it's really frustrating. Best case scenario i hear is about 16ms total.
@masterLEON
So ya, i kind of regret the 50-something NeoGeo Archive titles i purchased on NS1. They do feel a bit heavy to play. The best way to experience Arcade Archives period is on a traditional PC due to the 1000hz polling rate, where you can use a wired 8bitdo controller(Can't rememeber the exact model name that supports 1000hz) which has only 1ms of lag(Using the Pro 2 NS2 controller 'wired-in' has around 8ms ny comparison on NS2.), and if possible get an adapter that can transfer HDMI over to composite(Without any lag that is. If the RetroTink 2X Pro worked in reverse, than there's you're ticket!) and pair it with a 27 - 32" CRT TV.
Compared to playing the same AA game on NS2...You'll be shaving off 10ms from not dealing with an OLED TV and removing 7ms(Vs 1ms from the 8bitdo) from the NS2 Pro controller(Wired), so 1 frame exactly. While also gaining that perfect prestine CRT motion clarity and legit authentic look we all remember from those neogeo arcades.
The only downside I'm guessing would be screen scaling. Like if you can actually properly scale 16:9 into 4:3 properly without any weird edge warping.
Either way, if money isn't a concern, forget Negeo Arcade Archives, and instead buy this replica NG+ Console, use it's wired arcade stick and use it's composite connection and hook it up to your CRT and buy the original Software/carts. That's what I'd rather do, but I'm finding $100.99(Cad) for one of these brand new neogeo carts a tough pill to swallow.
$39(cad) seems way more reasonable for none emulated old 90's arcade games. And looking forward to overclock mode. As you pointed out, if it can lock something like Metal Slug 1, 2/X & 3 at 30fps without any slow down that's still a big improvement.
@masterLEON
I've owned several CRT's throughout the years. I've even managed to get my hands on a Panasonic 'S30' Plasma(Terrible picture quality by plasma standards btw. lol) and LED TV that were both capable of 16ms(Confirmed and tested) of lag through component.
And yes, i could absolutely 100% feel the difference when playing the exact same game on a CRT vs both displays, side by side. I did a ton of comparisons, with Wii running through component(Interlaced on the CRT, & progressive scan on both HDTV's) on my Sony WEGA Trinitron CRT and two HDTV's with several games.
The games felt instantaneous on the CRT. basically it felt like you were 1:1 with the controller, your characters were light as a feather and perfectly responsive. but with 16ms piled on with both HDTV's, is practically 1 frame of lag. When characters would jump the footing felt off a little. It wasn't instantaneous. I remember Klonoa(Wii) feeling exactly that. I hated it on both HDTV's. That instantaneous feel of the CRT made it that more enjoyable to play, to the point where both HDTV's completely botched the experience for me, aside from not being able to keep up with the perfect motion clarity of the CRT. The LED was a complete joke in that regard.
I tried plenty of other platformers as well and it was always the exact same result. Even Metroid Prime 3's motion pointer based IR aiming felt more responsive on the CRT. Night and day. 1 frame does make a difference, and unless you don't have a direct side by side reference you'll never know. I don't think most people will care, mind you. 1 frame of lag is fine in most cases, but it's not indistinguashable at all from zero lag on CRT.
OLED/QD-OLED TV's are an improvemnt at least with just 10ms of latency when running games at 60fps, but the motion clarity is a laughing stock compared to CRT. In order for games to feel near identicle to CRT in button response, playing games at 120fps is the ticket, since it knocks latency down to 5ms from 10ms.
So is 1 frame of lag the end of world? Heck no. But to pretend like there's no difference between zero, at least for me, is totally disingenious. Besides, i had a blast playing plenty of Wii Virtual Console titles(Which all have at least 1 frame of lag by default since they're emulated) on my 32" Sony WEGA CRT back in the late 2000's.
But when you compare how it fairs with a display that doesn't have a speckle of latency, than it kind of opens your eyes a little and you want the best of the best. But if you dont know and have no reference, you'll never realize what you've lost.
Another comparison i did was by playing Super Mario Bros 3(Orginal cart), on my original NES using composite on my CRT. I then fired up SMB3 on the Wii's VC on the same CRT. And yup, as expected, Mario felt less heavy and more responsive on the actual NES, factoring in at least 1 frame of lag, and a bit of Wii remote wireless latency vs a wired-in NES controller will do that.
Also, Super Mario Bros. VS(Arcade Archives for NS1) feels as if Mario is hopping around in metal pants with a ball and chain strapped to his ankle. Fired my cartridge up of SMB/Duckhunt on my AVS(Fpga-like, with no latency) on the same OLED TV and the difference was frikkin astronimical. Mind you, the NS1 Pro controller is a laggy bugger(12ms more lag than the joy-con 1's) but even with the JCN1's, SMB Vs(AA) didn't stand a chance against the real thing on the same display.
@-wc- What i want to know is, will the wired black Neogeo+ arcade stick included with the console have zero latency, or next to zero, vs the White Anniversary Arcade Stick using it's detachable wired cable? I'd like to get it in white but not if I'm getting smacked with more laggies'
@Sketcz
RF was all I knew growing up with the Genesis back in the early 90's, and it did the trick. It wasn't until Saturn, or possibly SNES when i finally started using composite.
@Sketcz
I was rocking RF back in the late 80's & earlier 90's with NES. And I gotta say, even though Composite and especially Component typically are the way to go for SD consoles(First time i experienced component was finally with Wii on my FullScreen 32" Sony WEGA Trinitron CRT from 2005, before that I eventually found out about S-Video on my GameCube with the same TV and wow, what a difference it made vs composite.), when it comes to NES titles, RF does wonders over composite simply because it does a much better job at blending those chunky brick'd sprites into art work, almost like minature cartoons.
But RF suffers from noise/static, worse colours, and lighter black levels and contrast. But RF was what most people used in NA & Japan grew up with. The Famicom didn't have a composite port until the revision(Top Loader) dropped in 93-ish. Composite was almost like a luxury on the NA Nintendo.
For me personally, composite is my favourite way to play SNES games on CRT only because of the softer looking sprites, nostalgia aside. I've also tried RF and S-Video, but S-Video made the sprites look artifiically crisper(Which some people love of course, it's all personal preference) but for me it almost tarnished the more cartoony organic look that composite provided. Belting down the sharpness is the only work around.
But I'm sure you and i can both agree, that it would be way more interesting to hook up the NeoGeo+ to a Sony WEGA 27 - 32" CRT(Be it through SCART, composite or component) than with HDMI on something like a 55 or 65" Modern QD-OLED display. Gotta have that amazing blur-free CRT motion clarity(1ms motion persistence) that we all grew up with in the 80's, 90's and even 2000's before those pesky LCD & LED Tv's crept in. And of course zero latency. All HDTV's typically fall at around 10ms by comparison, plus wireless controller lag.
@Titntin
That's exactly what threw me off. The game prices. 90's arcade games being sold physically, brand new for $89(US, which translates to $123.99 CAD) is just crazy to me...Would I drop just over a $100 for modern titles like Resident Evil 9: Requiem or the next big Zelda or Mario? Absolutely. But for Metal Slug 1? Especially when it's still stuck at a measily 30fps with some pretty wild slow down that creeps up in what seems like every 15 seconds, for just over $130(cad) after taxes is absurd.
Sure, Negeo+ has an overclock mode, but i highly doubt it will bump these 30fps titles up to 60. It can only do so much, just like with Analogue's latest A3D.
You can spend just $9.99(Cad) for a digital copy of Metal Slug 1 Neogeo Archives on NS1/NS2. But you have to deal with Emulation lag, then more latency from the NS2 Pro controller(It has less lag when wired btw, 8ms to be exact.) and you don't have the option of playing Neogeo AA games on a CRT through NS2 since there's no composite or component ports. So you won't get that blur free pristine motion clarity that we all grew up with back on CRT's in the 80's, 90's and even 2000's.
I wish these new Negeo+ games were priced at like $29 - $39(Cad). But $123.99? You've got to have some serious mega nostalgia to be throwing down that much cash. Luckily I do, at least twith NG back at my local elemetry school's corner store, The Arcades at the mall etc. My neogeo nostalgia is limited to Metal Slug 1&2, Samurai Showdown, Fatal Fury 1&2, King of Monsters, Bust a Move 2, along with the underrated World of heroes 1&2. I've probably dipped into more, but i just can't remember.
@Dr_Fresh
Not a huge fan of Neogeo Arcade Archives on NS1. Simply because of the additional 1 frame/17ms+ of emulation latency makes the games feel less responsive and heavier to play.
Plus I'd rather play these on a 27 or 32" Sony WEGA CRT with composite cables not only to cut down 10ms of lag that you'd get from a QD-OLED TV, but because of that prestine perfect blur free crt motion clarity. Which will replicate the at home Neogeo console 90's experience, or how most of us remember these games looking and playing on NeoGeo Arcade Cabinets.
With Overclock mode, AV connection for CRT compatibility, zero emulation game lag, and incredible 1:1 replica of the console & arcade stick/controller itself makes this super appealing. Arcade Archives Neogeo may be affordable and convenient, but they're definitely not the best way to get the true neogeo experience.
I still think the game pricing is pretty bogus...$89 a pop for old Neogeo carts? Eh.
I want the white one, but only if i can use it's white arcade stick with a detachable wired cable that has no additional latency or the same latency as the Black wired arcade stick that comes packed with the none anniversary edition.
@Sketcz
I think composite only as far analogue goes, which should perfectly replicate how these games looked in the Arcades on a CRT. Component was never a thing back then in the 90's for 8-32 bit gaming, and that's a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, components great and all, in terms of the advantage you grain from color, shadow detail, black levels, brightness(etc) but the crisper/sharper image imo goes against 90's based sprite based titles and takes away the softer cartoonier look. I guess you could always drop the sharpness down on your CRT to compensate.
yet once you get to the Dreamcast, GameCube, PS2, XBOX & Wii, than it's absolutely component all the way. Then again, i thought DC looked incredible back in 99' with Composite on my 32" JVC D-series CRT we had in our living room. I didn't find out about S-Video until a few years after the GameCube. The difference it made vs Composite on my 32" Sony WEGA CRT was night and day. It sounds hysterical, but the jump in picture quality felt transformative. Sharper/clearer, no color bleeding etc. Component is a smaller jump from composite to S-Video, but there's still a difference.
@Tasuki
Haha. Same exact situation for me man. The hobbie just keeps getting more expensive, especially when you're dipping into past consoles & software, or revised retro consoles like this. I hope this company does the exact same thing for the NES, SNES & Genesis(Model 1) getting brand new replica OG consoles, with brand new wired controllers and physical media would be too hard to pass up. Combined with AV/analogue connections for CRT compatibility & an overclock mode? I'm down! Another reason why I'm really intersted in Mod Retro's upcoming M64.
I typically get smacked by the initial fomo, but overtime that fades simply because something else always comes up and just because money is extremely tight these days. It's already going to cost me 2 grand(cad) for a Steam Frame + Steam Machine, and i don't even have the NS2 yet. An NS2, Pro 2 Controller and a few or so games is already trickling over a thousand. Sigh*
Then there's the Mod Retro 'Chromatic', the upcoming M64. I still haven't rebought another NES, SNES & Genesis, other than most of their controllers & cables. I'm even tempting to rebuy the DS Lite & 3DS, purely for some of the games i missed out on. Some times i wish i just held on to it all and put it away in storage. But like most people, with the passage of time, you get tired of it, hit a fork in the road and want change. Only to rewant it a decade+ later after not seeing for so long. XD
As of now I have NS1, PS5, PSVR2, Quest 3, and in terms of semi-retro i have the Wii(But no component cables or Controllers) and an indigo GameCube and a small handful of NES & SNES games put away. What can I say, I was never a collector, I usually always just rolled with whatever was currently in the now, including retro gaming on modern consoles like Wii with it's virutal console. NSO is a different beast since it's subscription based, and it piles on more noticeable lag since we're now playing emulations which have at least on frame of lag best case scenario combined with HDTV lag vs CRT TV's, where as CRT's had no lag.
Modern tv's pack on 10ms, teetering close to a frame, and yes it does make a difference in terms of how responsive and light your character should feel. Winds up feeling heavier.
Man, i wish this company would do the exact same thing for the NES, Genesis(Model 1) & SNES. To have brand new OG replica consoles & Controllers, with built in overclock modes and brand new CIB physical media would be too tempting to pass up.
I'll mostly likely be getting one of these with Metal Slug, Magician Lord & Shock Troopers. I hope they release King of Monsters, Fatal Furty 1&2, along with Metal Slug 2&3. If overclock mode can get the metal slug games running closer to 60fps than that's quite the feat, or at the very least eliminate all slow down than that's quite the feat.
It's always a drag jumping back into them on new modern hardware and having to deal the excess slow down and 30fps cap. These games could of ran at a locked 60fps with no slow down on a frikkin Wii for jeebs sake.
@ValentineMeikin
I have loads of Neogeo Arcade Archive games on NS1, and they're laggy compared to the real deal. Games just feel heavier to play, and that's not shocking at all, when you factor in the emulation lag at play, which is most likely over 1 frame(17ms) combined with HDTV lag(10ms) and the latency coming from whatever wireless controller you're using.
But if you buy this revised NeoGeo which is a full on imitation of the real thing, with actual cartridges, with it's wired-in Arcade Stick or Controller you're getting zero lag period, maybe 1ms from the controllers but that's about it. And it has AV connection for a CRT which will give you blur-free perfect motion clarity(Just like you remember playing neogeo back in the arcades) vs OLED, and it has an overclock mode.
Arcade Archives Neogeo games may be miles more affordable and convient, but you have to deal with noticeable lag which makes the games feel that much less enjoyable and responsive to play, OLED motion blur and you don't have access to an overclock mode. It always sucks going back to Metal Slug 1-3 for ex. Wish they could run at a locked 60fps instead of 30.
Anyways! I only have Arcade Neogeo nostalgia, back in the very early 90's with King of Monsters, Fatal Fury 1&2, Metal Slug 1&2, Samurai Showdown just to name a few. Only the rich kids had a Neogeo console. None of my friends or any of the kids at my school that i knew had one. Same thing goes for TurboGrafx.
@PXAbstracftion
Any 3rd party company that takes several months to ship a physical version of a game when the digital version is already out is a no go for me moving forward.
it feels so ridiculous and artifical to keep following this pratice for the physical die-hards. I don't know the ins and outs and time or money that's involved in getting it done, but it just sucks. It's a bummer, because i really like the Cover Art for the Maximum Collection. Buying it purely for X-Men Arcade, digitally that is.
I mean, It's available in less than 2 weeks digital to play. Or you can pre-order and wait 7 months to a year to get it, and while you wait chances are you'll lose patience and just double 'digital' dip, spending 2x the amount on the same game.
Once the physical version arrives when you're 89 years old with a beetlejuice complexion, you'll look at that shiny beautiful plastic n' cardboard and cool cover art in all of it's glory, get a bit excited, only for it to rot on a shelf while the digital version continues to get played due to sheer convenience.
@PopetheRev28
I'd buy from them if i could get my physical preorder in less than a month, rather than several months to over a year when the digital version is already out.
I like Switch physical media, depending, but I'm not attached to it, or care enough to wait several months to own plastic and cardboard. It's about the experience first and formost. Digital wins, and I won't waste money and double dip anymore. That's how LRG gets ya too. Pre-orderers will wind up double dipping and getting the digital copy as well due to losing patience.
@Sketcz
Once the late 2000's kicked in i wasn't 100% rolling with the times, aside from gaming with the brilliant launch of the DS Lite which reinvigerated my love for gaming, the Wii+VC, followed up with the first 1-2 years of the Aqua Blue 3DS which imo was the last magical feeling Nintendo launch ever
By 2010 or 2011, I was reintroducing a lot of stuff back into my life from the 80's & early to mid 90's, stuff that I'd even missed out on(80's pop music, horror movies etc), my appartment was like stepping into an 80's/90's time portal haven(Interior decor was on point. lol).
And as far as entertainment goes, as they say there's nothing like your first time experience, even if the music, movie or video games are decades old. When it clicks, it lands and it inspires. Once the mystery/unknown is unraveled, your second go is never the same, or you just wind up getting tired of it over time. With a lot of people, more repetition just leads to less entertainment.
Sigh. I was in full on 80's-mode back in 2011/2012. The fashion, the music, the cartoons, the music, retro NES/SNES/Genesis gamiing through the Wii's Virtual Console on my big brand new 2006 32" Sony WEGA CRT Trintiron etc. 26 & 27 were the happiest years of my adult life, but then by 28 for whatever reason that happy bubble bursted.
And haha. By 2006, i don't think i knew what FB was either. I was using YouTube here and there, when it was in it's infant stage, where people would just generally post stupid whacky videos and whatever for fun, but FB and Smart phones were completely foreign to me. I didn't get a smart phone until 2016, before that i had a Motorolla flip(early 2000's) and then a blackberry. My current phone just sits in my kitchen, I only use it for calls. Hell, i don't even have it in me text anymore. lol
And in regards to Streaming. Total oversaturation. Having access to housands opon thousands of movies at the press of a button, through multiple monthly subcriptions in all honestly peels away that dedication and value. It makes whatever your watching almsot feel like a throwaway. At least in the 2000's, and very early 2010's buying DVD's felt special because streaming didn't exist(Or it was severely limtied) and it was the best current way to watch stuff.
I miss having 28 channels of mostly quality content, amazing 90's/80's commercials and channel 29 if you paid more for MTV back in the late 80's/early to mid 90's. That simplicty and having all of that displayed live on everybodies TV's with less than 30 channels was awesome. We could all easily share what we saw on TV and relate to what we experienced.
There was also a mystique to every thing. Actors weren't on podcasts or doing home tours showing you what was in their fridge etc. They were either in movies or TV, voiceing cartoon characters, or the rare/odd late night interview with Johnny carson or whomever. I miss the innocence and wonderment, of those times and just being a kid.
Feels like the veil has been lifted these days, entertainment leans more towards realism more than full on escapsim. We don't get a lot of fantsastical theatrical larger than life movie experiences anymore. Even the commercials back then were incredible.
@Sketcz
Everything is fragmented and no longer unified. The 90's truly was the last of the great decades before computers ruined the world(As Vanilla ice put it. Referring to social media & Smart phones) Pop culture back then, especially in the earlier 90's was magical.
The 2020's don't really feel all that different from the 2010's either. Pop culture died imo during the mid to late 2000's. I feel out of place in the world today, it can be pretty grim. I wish the world as we know it today could be more like the 80's & 90's. But alas, we've gone backwards in many many ways.
We're living in a far more corporate less optimisitic colorless world, where having a difference of opinion can potentially have you ousted. Ego's and entitlement are at an all time high too thanks to SM. If i had to 100% roll with the current times I'd be in a state of depression. lol I mean really, the only thing that i truly enjoy about the now is gaming(Flat, VR, MR etc) Everything else is mostly disappointing from the music, fashion, commercials, most movies etc.
@8bit-Man
Nothing in the 2000's and onwards will ever feel Retro in my eyes. The mighty glorious Sega Dreamcast is the last retro-ish console and the final console to be released during the tail end of the late 90's.
Ultimately, when i think retro, i think bleeps and bloops. I think of the 8-16 bit generations. But these days, i also welcome Saturn, PS1 & even N64 in the mix these days as well.
But I also don't want to take away anything from some 25 year old who grew up playing Wii(Which is one of my favourite nitnendo consoles btw.) etc as their first console, which is 'their' retro, their nostalgia/haven and a video game console that designed their childhood. For me personally, pop culture has been grim since the mid to late 2000's.
The 80's & 90's were so incredible and unique pop culture wise, including the video game console, controller designs, physical media, commercials, etc, just everything felt so imaginative, NEW, different and substantial. It's like you were entering a whole new world of gaming with each and every console, unlike today where a lot of it usually feels safe, bland and corporate. Diminishing returns aside. Heck, what has changed all that much since 2010? The last 20 years don't have any legit stand out defining qualites that differentiates itself from the prior decade.
I wouldn't mind picking up the White one, and getting an original N64 Console Logo decal(With the classic Blue/green/red N64 logo with black surrounding it) and plunking it on the top bottom area below the cartridge slot. Needs something to give it some character and make it look fun.
pairing this with a 55" QD-OLED, until smaller 42" models arrive maybe this year, while using the A3D's CRT setting and overclock mode is the way to go!
@FR4M3
Same. I always get a kick out of hearing about older games getting polished opitmized ports for higher end consoles that do away with the niggles or drawbacks due to the original less powerful consoles they originally released on.
With Mega Man 1 >
Remove all Slow down
Remove all Sprite Flicker
Add Rumble
As far as adding extra content goes to make it feel more complete >
An Opening Cut scene aken to MM9 & MM10.
Needs an original Get Weapon screen/animation with original top tier quality MM beats.
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Re: Guide: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - Everything You Need To Know About The $250 Neo Geo AES+
@-wc-
NL is mostly full of 20-something year olds, which is totally fine and to be expected, as I was in around 2010, but it often feels like you're just talking to yourself because 95% of the forum peeps can't relate, nor do they have any interest in retro gaming pre-GameCube, if 80's & 90's gaming is brought up in the discussion. Even somebody at 30 can't relate to anything to the 90's since they were essentially kids of the 2000's.
And ya, NL's General forum I'd say is the sweet spot, now that the Retro forum has practically flat lined since 2015 or so.
I can't imagine forums in general lasting that much longer. Just imagine how much more activity and popularity TimeExtension would garnered if it were circa' 2005-2010 right now.
YouTube may offer all the variety in the world, but you're essentially stuck in a cesspool with mostly one off conversations that usually aren't conversations, because the other person throwing down a comment is doing it on some cumbersome smart phone, with a small screen & touch keys. That right there is a barrier that will prevent most people from responding back with something worthwhile and meaningful compared to being online and hitting up the forums in the 2000's when every body was using a desktop PC, or laptop with a keyboard.
Plus, TiqTock brain rot is at an all time high with dwindeling attention spans aplenty' There's so many people online trying to engage with others for the love of the hobbie, but more often than not, when opinions collide and don't align, they generally just ignore and bounce.
And WaveBoy was the name I used back in 2010-2013. Then i eventually switched it up to NeonPizza. I think it's finally time to ascend.....To TurboBurger. That, or NitroSalami. lol
Re: Shuhei Yoshida Reveals Resident Evil Almost Had Green Blood
@heligo
Haha. I loved the long box NA RE1 cover back in 96. With the bizzare patterened background, two giant turantulas, and chris looking as if he's spiraling out of control and having a complete unhinged Nick cage' melt down. lol
Re: Struggling To Pre-Order The Neo Geo AES+ In North America? Plaion Is Working On It
@BLAZINOAH
I'll be playing on both CRT and a QD-OLED TV. The main reason I want these cartridges is to bypass all of that emulation lag that's stemming from Hamster's Neogeo Arcade Archives.
Re: Struggling To Pre-Order The Neo Geo AES+ In North America? Plaion Is Working On It
Do the new Physical Neogeo titles have any additional latency, or the exact same amount of default latency, if there was any(depending on the game) compared to the older original Neogeo carts?
I wish those Black NG Gamepads could be used with a wired detachable cable too for the lowest amount of lag if possible. If not, whatever, as long as it's really low over wireless. Like below 5ms.
And i recently went back and played the Neogeo Arcade Archive emulation for Metal Slug, and holy bat balls was the slow down horrendous. Not even worth playing through as is imo. I've beaten it in the past, but the slow down really drags down the experience. Hopefully overclock mode with the AES+ can lock it at 30fps without a hitch.
Re: Shuhei Yoshida Reveals Resident Evil Almost Had Green Blood
Favourite RE experience of all time, right when it launched in the spring of 96'. I'll never forget seeing it's long box PS1 case with Chris Redfield and those turantula's swarming the cover art at my local MicroPlay's PS1 rental section. There was simply nothing else like it other than obviously Alone in the Dark for PC, to an extent, for those that actutally managed to get their hands on it.
I managed to at a friends, and while ALITD was definietly unique, bizzare, eye catching, and boarderline other worldy especially after being so accustomed to the 16-bit era back in 92'-ish, it was still no RE1. But to be fair, there's about a 4 year gap between the two, so that's to be expected.
And don't get me wrong RE2 was great and all, but the police station+Museum hybrid setting was kind of depressing vs the lavish more colorful spooky mansion of RE1, the soundtrack and characters imo didn't whatsoever hold a candle to that of the OG, and it 100% lost that B-movie George A Romero-like charm and aesthetic. RE2 was more cinematic and teetered heavier on the action. Still a fantastic sequal, yet i had a greater experience with the RE2 Remake on PS5(120fps mode). That's thee' way to experience RE2 imo. The OG is truly a product of it's time.
As for the green blood...Even the default/stock green blood in House of the Dead 2 for Dreamcast never felt right to me. Can't imagine it being any different for RE. Save the green blood for Zombies ate my neighbours on SNES. Fits perfectly for that!
Re: Guide: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - Everything You Need To Know About The $250 Neo Geo+ AES
@-wc-
Ya, I think I'm vacating NL. Not that anybody really gives a sh**. YouTube has essentially killed the forums. Plus i don't appreciate NL belittling their audience, essentially telling them to 'touch grass' over that StarFox mario poster was hysterical.
If you were to throw the exact same insult back their way, you'd get banned by the snowflake hammer. And they wouldn't even bother to email you explaining why. The entitlement, double standards and never really being able to take accountability for their actions seems like an ongoing trend. That semi spoiler, if you can even consider it that didn't bother me at all, but they should of kept it classy and professional and refrained from the belitilling.
NL peaked during the late 2000's and earlier 2010's imo. Now it just feels mostly like an extended marketing vehicle for Nintendo, basically a hive mind flooded with mostly fanboys that expect everybody elses opinion to align with their own, just so they can hype ride off each other and selflishly fuel their hobby. I value honesty, not toxic positivity. Once opinions start to differ they'll peel away, eventually ignore you and then turn on you on a dime haha. That's the internet for ya! When it's just internet rando's conversing with one another, and there's no real world relationship at play, everybody is disposable.
I feel like i'm talking to the same 3-something people on NL, while most of my comments get ignored. I like TimeExtension better simply because retro is my bread & butter, but it's even less active than NL.
Re: "Humbling And Deeply Inspiring" - Neo Geo+ Production Forecasts Increased After "Overwhelming" Response
One thing about the black OG NeoGeo is that he has to be the blandest(Yet classy) looking console to come rolling out of the 90's, and the carts are a bit horrendous. NES, Genesis(Model 1), SNES, PS1(With the original Analog Stick-less 95' controller), N64 and the all mighty Sega Dreamcast smoke NG AES in the looks department.
Heck, I'd even say the Sega Saturn(NA 95 version, with it's NA mantary-orgonomically styled controller) looked more appealing and unique as well, and even the NES Top Loader.
Neogeo AES design wise is pretty much neck and neck with the Panasonic 3DO, Atari Jaguar and Genesis(Model 2). Although the new Neogeo AES+(White Anniversary Edition) paired with those two black colored button'd NG Gamepads will look pretty awesome. It gives it that much needed vibrancy, pop and all of the colors just blend well and contrast well with one another. Now that's what you call a console hotness redemption. lol
Re: "Humbling And Deeply Inspiring" - Neo Geo+ Production Forecasts Increased After "Overwhelming" Response
@PopetheRev28
I grew up playing both Fatal Fury 1&2 with friends back in the arcades, and neither hold up imo, not even Special. FF3 is when the gameplay started to get faster and more responsive similar to SF Turbo.
Real Bout 2 is excellent too. That's end game FF imo. But my fighting game days are nearly coming to a close. Friends are no longer into gaming, playing against the computter is a bore and NG AES+ doesn't have online. Vhat' to do!
Re: "Humbling And Deeply Inspiring" - Neo Geo+ Production Forecasts Increased After "Overwhelming" Response
As long as they continue to release new physical copies for more Neogeo games beyond the initial 10 release titles. Really want Metal Slug X&3, World Heroes 2, King of Monsters 1&2, Savage Reign, Fatal Fury 2, Samurai Showdown, Prehistoric Isle 2, just to name a few.
Re: Guide: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - Everything You Need To Know About The $250 Neo Geo+ AES
@Deuteros
I really want that brand new physical copy of Magician Lord. I must of grew up playing just over 10 NeoGeo Arcade Games back in the early to mid 90's, but never Magician Lord, not even Metal Slug 3. All i can remember is King of the Monsters, Metal Slug 1&2, World Heroes 1&2, Bust-A-Move 2, Samurai Showdown, Fatal Fury 1&2, Art of Fighting 1 or 2, and one of the earlier King of Fighters.
My nostalgia towards ML actually stems from unboxing my NS1 back in 2020(Late to the party!) at my Cousin and niece's house. Blaster Master Zero, DOOM(93) & Magician Lord(Neogeo Archives. I was curious just because HappyConsoleGamer would always praise it to bits from time to time), were some of the few games i first bought digitially during my cheat launch.
ML's music is just legendary, wonderful art style and brute(in a good way) challenge aside. I'm sure I would of loved that one back in the arcades as a kid if i ever stumbled across it. Same thing applies to Savage Reign, Blue's Journey, Karnov's Revenge, Metal Slug 3, Ninja Combat, Ninja Commando, Shock Troopers, etc.
Re: Guide: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - Everything You Need To Know About The $250 Neo Geo+ AES
@-wc-
Most decent modern 4K HDTV's, Samsung QD-OLED & LG OLED being the best examples have around 10ms in game mode when running games at 60fps. Then you get 5ms(CRT-tier/near instantaneous) when running games at 120fps on NS2 & PS5/PS5 Pro.
Maybe your friends and family are rocking older LED TVs and plasma's. If that's the case, get ready for a Hungry hungry hippo hurricane of looney tunes latency coming your way. lol Makes your character feel as he's downed a brick milkshake, while wearing metal pants and a ball & chain strapped to his ankle.
It's so wild, how even just 1 frame(17ms) compared to a lag free CRT yields a difference. The Games wind up feeling more enjoyable and responsive to play on CRT. it's like you're one with your controller! As for testing not entirely sure. They used to use that Leo Bondar-thing to accurately test for lag. Google or YouTube it and you'll get some answers.
Not too sure if i want to spend more money on any more Arcade Archives games. Can't believe how bad the lag is in Super Mario Bros Vs/Arcade compared to the NES cart on real hardware, on the same OLED TV with an FPGA NES console like the AVS. But everybodies threshold is different. The problem is, most people don't have an actual reference(OG hardware & Software etc) to compare it to. So they don't know what they're missing.
Fun fact. The NS1 Pro controller has been confirmed and tested(By ShcmupJunkie on YT) to have around 12ms more lag than the Joy-Con 1's, but he never stated how much lag the the JCN1's have. 12ms more is crazy. And Pro 1 has more lag when used wired. Yet supposedly it's the opposite for NS2. Pro 2 controller is said to have around 8ms of lag wired, yet more wireless. Meanwhile, original wired Nes, Snes, N64(etc) controls for their consoles probably have no more than 1ms.
So ya, 10ms of lag from your OLED TV at 60fps, however much lag from the controller you're using, and then emulation lag will be at least 17ms/1 frame best case scenario. I can't imagine that black wired Neogeo+ Arcade stick having anymore than maybe 1-3ms of lag. Once NG+ release in Nov, I'm sure there's bound to be latency test results online.
Re: Saudi-Funded Metal Slug Reboot Looks To Be Taking The Series Back To Its Pixel Art Roots
@Bobby64
Their stake in Capcom is even higher at 10%. There's no way I'm not playing RE9 Requiem. lol
Re: Guide: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - Everything You Need To Know About The $250 Neo Geo+ AES
@jamess
I was a total lag weezle doing all of that testing back in the late 2000's/early 2010's with my CRT's and HDTV's. lol But yes, 1 frame definitely makes a difference. As for OLED, they now all have the same 1ms motion persistence + Sample and hold. QD Mini-LED's have a slower motion responsive time(Each model varies), but OLED's are always around 1ms.
My LG C1, which is just an OK TV(SDR Game mode is dim, has severe shadow detail crushing/black crushing and i can't stand WOLED color vs QD etc, but it has far more robust black frame insertion settings, and supports 120fps BFI.
But each and every BFI setting is problematic, because they crush more shadow detail, double input lag(At least with 60fps BFI), you'll get BFI flicks, and too much brightness loss. The C1 can't afford to be losing any brightness period in SDR game mode.
But what's neat about those settings, is that i know exactly how much blur they're reducing by percentage. According to PlasmaGamingTV on YT. LG C1's motion pro high setting for 60fps games, reducing OLED motion blur by 62%. Motion pro Medium when running a game at 120fps reducing the blur by 75%, and 120fps + MP High cuts it down in the 80's. 120fps by itself is obviously a 50% cut.
Either way, it's mostly just a tease because those settings have too many draw backs, but it's cool to see the differences.
If you buy a modern day QD-OLED, the only way to reduce 50% of the blur is by either running a PS5/NS2 game at 120fps, or by using a Samsung QD-OLED's motion interpolation game mode setting, which brute forces a higher frame rate into 60fps games, but then you double the input lag up to a whopping 20ms from 10, and there's motion artifacts.
There's also external devices like RetroTINK4K, that removes 50% using it's 120hz BFI setting for all 60fps. It's limited to 1080p, has BFI flicker, and will gobble up probably around 50% of your TV's SDR game mode brightness, but you can reinforce HDR brightness into SDR using once if it's setting to get you close to where you originally were. It will had 2ms of lag just by using TINK4K, 8ms from it's 120hz BFI and however much from your TV. I keep getting different answers online, and it's really frustrating. Best case scenario i hear is about 16ms total.
Re: Guide: Where To Pre-Order The Neo Geo+ AES
I wonder if you can use the Negeo+ AES 'Gamepad' Wired with a detachable cable for next to zero latency?
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@masterLEON
So ya, i kind of regret the 50-something NeoGeo Archive titles i purchased on NS1. They do feel a bit heavy to play. The best way to experience Arcade Archives period is on a traditional PC due to the 1000hz polling rate, where you can use a wired 8bitdo controller(Can't rememeber the exact model name that supports 1000hz) which has only 1ms of lag(Using the Pro 2 NS2 controller 'wired-in' has around 8ms ny comparison on NS2.), and if possible get an adapter that can transfer HDMI over to composite(Without any lag that is. If the RetroTink 2X Pro worked in reverse, than there's you're ticket!) and pair it with a 27 - 32" CRT TV.
Compared to playing the same AA game on NS2...You'll be shaving off 10ms from not dealing with an OLED TV and removing 7ms(Vs 1ms from the 8bitdo) from the NS2 Pro controller(Wired), so 1 frame exactly. While also gaining that perfect prestine CRT motion clarity and legit authentic look we all remember from those neogeo arcades.
The only downside I'm guessing would be screen scaling. Like if you can actually properly scale 16:9 into 4:3 properly without any weird edge warping.
Either way, if money isn't a concern, forget Negeo Arcade Archives, and instead buy this replica NG+ Console, use it's wired arcade stick and use it's composite connection and hook it up to your CRT and buy the original Software/carts. That's what I'd rather do, but I'm finding $100.99(Cad) for one of these brand new neogeo carts a tough pill to swallow.
$39(cad) seems way more reasonable for none emulated old 90's arcade games. And looking forward to overclock mode. As you pointed out, if it can lock something like Metal Slug 1, 2/X & 3 at 30fps without any slow down that's still a big improvement.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@masterLEON
I've owned several CRT's throughout the years. I've even managed to get my hands on a Panasonic 'S30' Plasma(Terrible picture quality by plasma standards btw. lol) and LED TV that were both capable of 16ms(Confirmed and tested) of lag through component.
And yes, i could absolutely 100% feel the difference when playing the exact same game on a CRT vs both displays, side by side. I did a ton of comparisons, with Wii running through component(Interlaced on the CRT, & progressive scan on both HDTV's) on my Sony WEGA Trinitron CRT and two HDTV's with several games.
The games felt instantaneous on the CRT. basically it felt like you were 1:1 with the controller, your characters were light as a feather and perfectly responsive. but with 16ms piled on with both HDTV's, is practically 1 frame of lag. When characters would jump the footing felt off a little. It wasn't instantaneous. I remember Klonoa(Wii) feeling exactly that. I hated it on both HDTV's. That instantaneous feel of the CRT made it that more enjoyable to play, to the point where both HDTV's completely botched the experience for me, aside from not being able to keep up with the perfect motion clarity of the CRT. The LED was a complete joke in that regard.
I tried plenty of other platformers as well and it was always the exact same result. Even Metroid Prime 3's motion pointer based IR aiming felt more responsive on the CRT. Night and day. 1 frame does make a difference, and unless you don't have a direct side by side reference you'll never know. I don't think most people will care, mind you. 1 frame of lag is fine in most cases, but it's not indistinguashable at all from zero lag on CRT.
OLED/QD-OLED TV's are an improvemnt at least with just 10ms of latency when running games at 60fps, but the motion clarity is a laughing stock compared to CRT. In order for games to feel near identicle to CRT in button response, playing games at 120fps is the ticket, since it knocks latency down to 5ms from 10ms.
So is 1 frame of lag the end of world? Heck no. But to pretend like there's no difference between zero, at least for me, is totally disingenious. Besides, i had a blast playing plenty of Wii Virtual Console titles(Which all have at least 1 frame of lag by default since they're emulated) on my 32" Sony WEGA CRT back in the late 2000's.
But when you compare how it fairs with a display that doesn't have a speckle of latency, than it kind of opens your eyes a little and you want the best of the best. But if you dont know and have no reference, you'll never realize what you've lost.
Another comparison i did was by playing Super Mario Bros 3(Orginal cart), on my original NES using composite on my CRT. I then fired up SMB3 on the Wii's VC on the same CRT. And yup, as expected, Mario felt less heavy and more responsive on the actual NES, factoring in at least 1 frame of lag, and a bit of Wii remote wireless latency vs a wired-in NES controller will do that.
Also, Super Mario Bros. VS(Arcade Archives for NS1) feels as if Mario is hopping around in metal pants with a ball and chain strapped to his ankle. Fired my cartridge up of SMB/Duckhunt on my AVS(Fpga-like, with no latency) on the same OLED TV and the difference was frikkin astronimical. Mind you, the NS1 Pro controller is a laggy bugger(12ms more lag than the joy-con 1's) but even with the JCN1's, SMB Vs(AA) didn't stand a chance against the real thing on the same display.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@-wc-
What i want to know is, will the wired black Neogeo+ arcade stick included with the console have zero latency, or next to zero, vs the White Anniversary Arcade Stick using it's detachable wired cable? I'd like to get it in white but not if I'm getting smacked with more laggies'
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Sketcz
RF was all I knew growing up with the Genesis back in the early 90's, and it did the trick. It wasn't until Saturn, or possibly SNES when i finally started using composite.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@X68000
So are these exact replica/re-issues of actual Neogeo games without any additional latency compared to emulation?
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Sketcz
I was rocking RF back in the late 80's & earlier 90's with NES. And I gotta say, even though Composite and especially Component typically are the way to go for SD consoles(First time i experienced component was finally with Wii on my FullScreen 32" Sony WEGA Trinitron CRT from 2005, before that I eventually found out about S-Video on my GameCube with the same TV and wow, what a difference it made vs composite.), when it comes to NES titles, RF does wonders over composite simply because it does a much better job at blending those chunky brick'd sprites into art work, almost like minature cartoons.
But RF suffers from noise/static, worse colours, and lighter black levels and contrast. But RF was what most people used in NA & Japan grew up with. The Famicom didn't have a composite port until the revision(Top Loader) dropped in 93-ish. Composite was almost like a luxury on the NA Nintendo.
For me personally, composite is my favourite way to play SNES games on CRT only because of the softer looking sprites, nostalgia aside. I've also tried RF and S-Video, but S-Video made the sprites look artifiically crisper(Which some people love of course, it's all personal preference) but for me it almost tarnished the more cartoony organic look that composite provided. Belting down the sharpness is the only work around.
But I'm sure you and i can both agree, that it would be way more interesting to hook up the NeoGeo+ to a Sony WEGA 27 - 32" CRT(Be it through SCART, composite or component) than with HDMI on something like a 55 or 65" Modern QD-OLED display. Gotta have that amazing blur-free CRT motion clarity(1ms motion persistence) that we all grew up with in the 80's, 90's and even 2000's before those pesky LCD & LED Tv's crept in. And of course zero latency. All HDTV's typically fall at around 10ms by comparison, plus wireless controller lag.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Titntin
That's exactly what threw me off. The game prices. 90's arcade games being sold physically, brand new for $89(US, which translates to $123.99 CAD) is just crazy to me...Would I drop just over a $100 for modern titles like Resident Evil 9: Requiem or the next big Zelda or Mario? Absolutely. But for Metal Slug 1? Especially when it's still stuck at a measily 30fps with some pretty wild slow down that creeps up in what seems like every 15 seconds, for just over $130(cad) after taxes is absurd.
Sure, Negeo+ has an overclock mode, but i highly doubt it will bump these 30fps titles up to 60. It can only do so much, just like with Analogue's latest A3D.
You can spend just $9.99(Cad) for a digital copy of Metal Slug 1 Neogeo Archives on NS1/NS2. But you have to deal with Emulation lag, then more latency from the NS2 Pro controller(It has less lag when wired btw, 8ms to be exact.) and you don't have the option of playing Neogeo AA games on a CRT through NS2 since there's no composite or component ports. So you won't get that blur free pristine motion clarity that we all grew up with back on CRT's in the 80's, 90's and even 2000's.
I wish these new Negeo+ games were priced at like $29 - $39(Cad). But $123.99? You've got to have some serious mega nostalgia to be throwing down that much cash. Luckily I do, at least twith NG back at my local elemetry school's corner store, The Arcades at the mall etc. My neogeo nostalgia is limited to Metal Slug 1&2, Samurai Showdown, Fatal Fury 1&2, King of Monsters, Bust a Move 2, along with the underrated World of heroes 1&2. I've probably dipped into more, but i just can't remember.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Dr_Fresh
Not a huge fan of Neogeo Arcade Archives on NS1. Simply because of the additional 1 frame/17ms+ of emulation latency makes the games feel less responsive and heavier to play.
Plus I'd rather play these on a 27 or 32" Sony WEGA CRT with composite cables not only to cut down 10ms of lag that you'd get from a QD-OLED TV, but because of that prestine perfect blur free crt motion clarity. Which will replicate the at home Neogeo console 90's experience, or how most of us remember these games looking and playing on NeoGeo Arcade Cabinets.
With Overclock mode, AV connection for CRT compatibility, zero emulation game lag, and incredible 1:1 replica of the console & arcade stick/controller itself makes this super appealing. Arcade Archives Neogeo may be affordable and convenient, but they're definitely not the best way to get the true neogeo experience.
I still think the game pricing is pretty bogus...$89 a pop for old Neogeo carts? Eh.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
I want the white one, but only if i can use it's white arcade stick with a detachable wired cable that has no additional latency or the same latency as the Black wired arcade stick that comes packed with the none anniversary edition.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Sketcz
I think composite only as far analogue goes, which should perfectly replicate how these games looked in the Arcades on a CRT. Component was never a thing back then in the 90's for 8-32 bit gaming, and that's a good thing.
Don't get me wrong, components great and all, in terms of the advantage you grain from color, shadow detail, black levels, brightness(etc) but the crisper/sharper image imo goes against 90's based sprite based titles and takes away the softer cartoonier look. I guess you could always drop the sharpness down on your CRT to compensate.
yet once you get to the Dreamcast, GameCube, PS2, XBOX & Wii, than it's absolutely component all the way. Then again, i thought DC looked incredible back in 99' with Composite on my 32" JVC D-series CRT we had in our living room. I didn't find out about S-Video until a few years after the GameCube. The difference it made vs Composite on my 32" Sony WEGA CRT was night and day. It sounds hysterical, but the jump in picture quality felt transformative. Sharper/clearer, no color bleeding etc. Component is a smaller jump from composite to S-Video, but there's still a difference.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Tasuki
Haha. Same exact situation for me man. The hobbie just keeps getting more expensive, especially when you're dipping into past consoles & software, or revised retro consoles like this. I hope this company does the exact same thing for the NES, SNES & Genesis(Model 1) getting brand new replica OG consoles, with brand new wired controllers and physical media would be too hard to pass up. Combined with AV/analogue connections for CRT compatibility & an overclock mode? I'm down! Another reason why I'm really intersted in Mod Retro's upcoming M64.
I typically get smacked by the initial fomo, but overtime that fades simply because something else always comes up and just because money is extremely tight these days. It's already going to cost me 2 grand(cad) for a Steam Frame + Steam Machine, and i don't even have the NS2 yet. An NS2, Pro 2 Controller and a few or so games is already trickling over a thousand. Sigh*
Then there's the Mod Retro 'Chromatic', the upcoming M64. I still haven't rebought another NES, SNES & Genesis, other than most of their controllers & cables. I'm even tempting to rebuy the DS Lite & 3DS, purely for some of the games i missed out on. Some times i wish i just held on to it all and put it away in storage. But like most people, with the passage of time, you get tired of it, hit a fork in the road and want change. Only to rewant it a decade+ later after not seeing for so long. XD
As of now I have NS1, PS5, PSVR2, Quest 3, and in terms of semi-retro i have the Wii(But no component cables or Controllers) and an indigo GameCube and a small handful of NES & SNES games put away. What can I say, I was never a collector, I usually always just rolled with whatever was currently in the now, including retro gaming on modern consoles like Wii with it's virutal console. NSO is a different beast since it's subscription based, and it piles on more noticeable lag since we're now playing emulations which have at least on frame of lag best case scenario combined with HDTV lag vs CRT TV's, where as CRT's had no lag.
Modern tv's pack on 10ms, teetering close to a frame, and yes it does make a difference in terms of how responsive and light your character should feel. Winds up feeling heavier.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
Man, i wish this company would do the exact same thing for the NES, Genesis(Model 1) & SNES. To have brand new OG replica consoles & Controllers, with built in overclock modes and brand new CIB physical media would be too tempting to pass up.
I'll mostly likely be getting one of these with Metal Slug, Magician Lord & Shock Troopers. I hope they release King of Monsters, Fatal Furty 1&2, along with Metal Slug 2&3. If overclock mode can get the metal slug games running closer to 60fps than that's quite the feat, or at the very least eliminate all slow down than that's quite the feat.
It's always a drag jumping back into them on new modern hardware and having to deal the excess slow down and 30fps cap. These games could of ran at a locked 60fps with no slow down on a frikkin Wii for jeebs sake.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@ValentineMeikin
I have loads of Neogeo Arcade Archive games on NS1, and they're laggy compared to the real deal. Games just feel heavier to play, and that's not shocking at all, when you factor in the emulation lag at play, which is most likely over 1 frame(17ms) combined with HDTV lag(10ms) and the latency coming from whatever wireless controller you're using.
But if you buy this revised NeoGeo which is a full on imitation of the real thing, with actual cartridges, with it's wired-in Arcade Stick or Controller you're getting zero lag period, maybe 1ms from the controllers but that's about it. And it has AV connection for a CRT which will give you blur-free perfect motion clarity(Just like you remember playing neogeo back in the arcades) vs OLED, and it has an overclock mode.
Arcade Archives Neogeo games may be miles more affordable and convient, but you have to deal with noticeable lag which makes the games feel that much less enjoyable and responsive to play, OLED motion blur and you don't have access to an overclock mode. It always sucks going back to Metal Slug 1-3 for ex. Wish they could run at a locked 60fps instead of 30.
Anyways! I only have Arcade Neogeo nostalgia, back in the very early 90's with King of Monsters, Fatal Fury 1&2, Metal Slug 1&2, Samurai Showdown just to name a few. Only the rich kids had a Neogeo console. None of my friends or any of the kids at my school that i knew had one. Same thing goes for TurboGrafx.
Re: "We Know Trust Is Something You Earn Over Time" - Limited Run Games Reveals "Renewed Fan-First Focus"
@PXAbstracftion
Any 3rd party company that takes several months to ship a physical version of a game when the digital version is already out is a no go for me moving forward.
it feels so ridiculous and artifical to keep following this pratice for the physical die-hards. I don't know the ins and outs and time or money that's involved in getting it done, but it just sucks. It's a bummer, because i really like the Cover Art for the Maximum Collection. Buying it purely for X-Men Arcade, digitally that is.
I mean, It's available in less than 2 weeks digital to play. Or you can pre-order and wait 7 months to a year to get it, and while you wait chances are you'll lose patience and just double 'digital' dip, spending 2x the amount on the same game.
Once the physical version arrives when you're 89 years old with a beetlejuice complexion, you'll look at that shiny beautiful plastic n' cardboard and cool cover art in all of it's glory, get a bit excited, only for it to rot on a shelf while the digital version continues to get played due to sheer convenience.
Re: "We Know Trust Is Something You Earn Over Time" - Limited Run Games Reveals "Renewed Fan-First Focus"
@PopetheRev28
I'd buy from them if i could get my physical preorder in less than a month, rather than several months to over a year when the digital version is already out.
I like Switch physical media, depending, but I'm not attached to it, or care enough to wait several months to own plastic and cardboard. It's about the experience first and formost. Digital wins, and I won't waste money and double dip anymore. That's how LRG gets ya too. Pre-orderers will wind up double dipping and getting the digital copy as well due to losing patience.
Re: Xbox 360, PS3 And Nintendo Wii U Are "Officially Retro", Says GameStop
@Sketcz
Once the late 2000's kicked in i wasn't 100% rolling with the times, aside from gaming with the brilliant launch of the DS Lite which reinvigerated my love for gaming, the Wii+VC, followed up with the first 1-2 years of the Aqua Blue 3DS which imo was the last magical feeling Nintendo launch ever
By 2010 or 2011, I was reintroducing a lot of stuff back into my life from the 80's & early to mid 90's, stuff that I'd even missed out on(80's pop music, horror movies etc), my appartment was like stepping into an 80's/90's time portal haven(Interior decor was on point. lol).
And as far as entertainment goes, as they say there's nothing like your first time experience, even if the music, movie or video games are decades old. When it clicks, it lands and it inspires. Once the mystery/unknown is unraveled, your second go is never the same, or you just wind up getting tired of it over time. With a lot of people, more repetition just leads to less entertainment.
Sigh. I was in full on 80's-mode back in 2011/2012. The fashion, the music, the cartoons, the music, retro NES/SNES/Genesis gamiing through the Wii's Virtual Console on my big brand new 2006 32" Sony WEGA CRT Trintiron etc. 26 & 27 were the happiest years of my adult life, but then by 28 for whatever reason that happy bubble bursted.
And haha. By 2006, i don't think i knew what FB was either. I was using YouTube here and there, when it was in it's infant stage, where people would just generally post stupid whacky videos and whatever for fun, but FB and Smart phones were completely foreign to me. I didn't get a smart phone until 2016, before that i had a Motorolla flip(early 2000's) and then a blackberry. My current phone just sits in my kitchen, I only use it for calls. Hell, i don't even have it in me text anymore. lol
And in regards to Streaming. Total oversaturation. Having access to housands opon thousands of movies at the press of a button, through multiple monthly subcriptions in all honestly peels away that dedication and value. It makes whatever your watching almsot feel like a throwaway. At least in the 2000's, and very early 2010's buying DVD's felt special because streaming didn't exist(Or it was severely limtied) and it was the best current way to watch stuff.
I miss having 28 channels of mostly quality content, amazing 90's/80's commercials and channel 29 if you paid more for MTV back in the late 80's/early to mid 90's. That simplicty and having all of that displayed live on everybodies TV's with less than 30 channels was awesome. We could all easily share what we saw on TV and relate to what we experienced.
There was also a mystique to every thing. Actors weren't on podcasts or doing home tours showing you what was in their fridge etc. They were either in movies or TV, voiceing cartoon characters, or the rare/odd late night interview with Johnny carson or whomever. I miss the innocence and wonderment, of those times and just being a kid.
Feels like the veil has been lifted these days, entertainment leans more towards realism more than full on escapsim. We don't get a lot of fantsastical theatrical larger than life movie experiences anymore. Even the commercials back then were incredible.
Re: Xbox 360, PS3 And Nintendo Wii U Are "Officially Retro", Says GameStop
@Sketcz
Everything is fragmented and no longer unified. The 90's truly was the last of the great decades before computers ruined the world(As Vanilla ice put it. Referring to social media & Smart phones) Pop culture back then, especially in the earlier 90's was magical.
The 2020's don't really feel all that different from the 2010's either. Pop culture died imo during the mid to late 2000's. I feel out of place in the world today, it can be pretty grim. I wish the world as we know it today could be more like the 80's & 90's. But alas, we've gone backwards in many many ways.
We're living in a far more corporate less optimisitic colorless world, where having a difference of opinion can potentially have you ousted. Ego's and entitlement are at an all time high too thanks to SM. If i had to 100% roll with the current times I'd be in a state of depression. lol I mean really, the only thing that i truly enjoy about the now is gaming(Flat, VR, MR etc) Everything else is mostly disappointing from the music, fashion, commercials, most movies etc.
Re: Xbox 360, PS3 And Nintendo Wii U Are "Officially Retro", Says GameStop
@8bit-Man
Nothing in the 2000's and onwards will ever feel Retro in my eyes. The mighty glorious Sega Dreamcast is the last retro-ish console and the final console to be released during the tail end of the late 90's.
Ultimately, when i think retro, i think bleeps and bloops. I think of the 8-16 bit generations. But these days, i also welcome Saturn, PS1 & even N64 in the mix these days as well.
But I also don't want to take away anything from some 25 year old who grew up playing Wii(Which is one of my favourite nitnendo consoles btw.) etc as their first console, which is 'their' retro, their nostalgia/haven and a video game console that designed their childhood. For me personally, pop culture has been grim since the mid to late 2000's.
The 80's & 90's were so incredible and unique pop culture wise, including the video game console, controller designs, physical media, commercials, etc, just everything felt so imaginative, NEW, different and substantial. It's like you were entering a whole new world of gaming with each and every console, unlike today where a lot of it usually feels safe, bland and corporate. Diminishing returns aside. Heck, what has changed all that much since 2010? The last 20 years don't have any legit stand out defining qualites that differentiates itself from the prior decade.
Re: The Analogue 3D Is The Best Retro Hardware Of 2025
I wouldn't mind picking up the White one, and getting an original N64 Console Logo decal(With the classic Blue/green/red N64 logo with black surrounding it) and plunking it on the top bottom area below the cartridge slot. Needs something to give it some character and make it look fun.
https://www.etsy.com/ca/listing/1764802971/skin-for-nintendo-64-n64-console-system?ref=user_profile&bes=1&pro=1
pairing this with a 55" QD-OLED, until smaller 42" models arrive maybe this year, while using the A3D's CRT setting and overclock mode is the way to go!
Re: The Original NES Mega Man Has Just Got A New "Revamped" Version, Courtesy Of A Fan
@FR4M3
Same. I always get a kick out of hearing about older games getting polished opitmized ports for higher end consoles that do away with the niggles or drawbacks due to the original less powerful consoles they originally released on.
With Mega Man 1 >
As far as adding extra content goes to make it feel more complete >