@antonvaltaz For most people back in the day, they associated Amiga as Commodore Amiga. Only hardcore enthusiasts knows that Amiga was bought by Commodore, but it’s irrelevant for the general consumer. Afterall, Amiga was a Commodore product for 10 years before the company went south! So in order for the Amiga name to become some kind of relevant again, they need Commodore behind it for a full revival! This Hyperion and Cloanto clownery, plus the general Amiga mess for 3 decades needs to return to it’s roots with Commodore!
It should be realistic for Commodore to produce new hardware branded Amiga. Most of the parts are already available through A1200.net who makes cases, keyboards and keycaps for both Amiga 500 and 1200. Good FPGA versions based on 68K versions is also out there. So most of the parts etc, should be possible for Commodore to license, in order to get new versions of the Amiga 1200 in production. Amiga provides the roms and OS, to make it work like the classic system. Commodore also have some of the old engineers like Dave Haynie, which will most likely work on the Amiga line. Amiga needs Commodore and Commodore needs Amiga. Commodore had a strong name behind it, which is needed for brand recognition like back in the day. It will be interesting to see what extra Commodore can provide to a potential Amiga 1200 Ultimate. In order to make it special it needs to both support the original clockspeed, but be able to go beyond a Motorola 060 with RTG support. Things like both RGB and HDMI support with filters like scanlines is a must. Improved audio and 8 channels of Stereo would be nice. Not sure about the disc drive on the side, but if they exclude it they should at least change it with something swappable like SD cards. Commodore did good with the C64U, i hope they can repeat the success with the Amiga!
They should focus on the Atari ST instead. This was a highly sought after computer in the 80s that competed with the Commodore Amiga. Since the new Commodore will probably get som licensing deal to produce the Amiga again, it would be cool to see a reissue of the old 520ST from Atari! They should release the slim OG version without the internal disc drive, but include all ports for old accessories like external drives etc. Hopefully we will see this computer based around FPGA, combined with HDMI and USB. Commodore did wonders with the Commodore 64 Ultimate, now it’s Atari’s turn to release something that is not software emulated!
@AphexAcid Well it’s a joined project, which is promising. It sounds like they are using the existing MISTer FPGA Core for the Neo Geo, extracted and implemented into separate ASIC chips. The MISTer Core is very good, certainly extremely close to a 1:1 implementation of the original system. Since it’s a plus system, it probably comes with a few improvements as well compared to the original. I’m certainly excited, i’d never thought i would see the AES back in production again!
@Gs69 Jotego is a Wiz when it comes to reverse engineering. The man has converted complex arcade boards into MISTer Cores. This is solid news, and makes the AES+ even more appealing than before. No doubt that he has converted the schematics 100% into the ASIC silicon!
@zenarcher The situation is very different now than in the past, SNK is owned by another company these days and is focused on quality rather than quantity. Back then SNK had licensing deal with Tommo about making the Neo Geo X, which was based on emulation. From what i recall reading, was that there was a contract breach since the product was poorly made. Both the components and software used was poorly executed, leading to a product that was really badly designed. SNK didn’t want the Neo Geo X to be released, but due to a contract breach Tommo kept producing and selling them, without SNK’s approval. The new Neo Geo AES is made by Plaion in conjunction with SNK, to assure quality control since it’s a licensed product. So the products can’t be compared in any way! Your last argument about EEPROMS, there is no need to use those old chips in 2026, NAND is much cheaper to make and is way faster. Every new modern Neo Geo cart being made these days including Flashcarts use NAND flash!
@Jeffers0n Not that it’s confirmed, but since this is a plus console with hdmi, it will probably contain some kind scaler option to get the right format, in addition to scanlines and filters. This is quite common on modern hdmi mods for retro consoles for example.
@Serpenterror I don’t know if you read the article, but it does not seem like it. First of all this is a joint venture between SNK and Plaion. The console use real components like ASIC chips. The Zilog (Z08) are still in production, and the Yamaha YM2610 can be obtained new in buckets for peanuts. The Motorola 68000 is a CPU from 1979, it’s not hard to reproduce due to it’s simplicity. It’s not 1991 anymore and something that was premium 35 years ago, is cheap to make today. So this is no clone, it’s as real as those made back in the day, but for the fraction of the price!
This is one of many games that doesn’t need a soulless upgrade. The original was made with pixels, and should be kept that way! I also hope Per Fractic and the rest of the crew wins the battle over the Commodore name. They paid millions to be the rightful owner, with the original engineers to back them. Unlike the italian Commodore who just slaps the logo on cheap laptops, Peri’s Commodore brings back the past and put resources into developing new hardware for future!
@gojiguy You are totally right about that. It's still a billion dollar industry, but the big publishers tries to push the digital narrative, despite the fact that many still buys physical games. Take Japan, they still buy more physical games than digital, that is certainly not a market that can be ignored. Nintendo sells far more physical games globally for the Switch than digital, that is why the consumers now are upset about their betrayal when it comes to keycards!
This is just expensive and it brings nothing new to the table. At that price it would be expected to contain something new, not specs like an overclocked A1200/A4000. Even the case is 3D printed, at $1000 it should at least have a case that is injection molded. Hopefully Commodore will bring something new to table next year with the Amiga, it will be interesting to see if they can either license or simply buy the rights from the current owners. I would rather see what old engineers like Dave Haynie can cook up, than buying any of those clone systems.
@boatie Mini and Maxi was never made to be a real Commodore 64, it's cheap emulation with everything that includes made purely for games. Besides both were sold for around $80-130 range. It can't be compared to the Commodore 64 Ultimate, by using FPGA replication as the logic, and all the original ports and connections it becomes much more expensive starting at $299! Just like the Spectrum Next, sales numbers is not comparable since it caters to two different markets!
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Re: "The A1200 Is Officially An Amiga Product"
@antonvaltaz For most people back in the day, they associated Amiga as Commodore Amiga. Only hardcore enthusiasts knows that Amiga was bought by Commodore, but it’s irrelevant for the general consumer. Afterall, Amiga was a Commodore product for 10 years before the company went south! So in order for the Amiga name to become some kind of relevant again, they need Commodore behind it for a full revival! This Hyperion and Cloanto clownery, plus the general Amiga mess for 3 decades needs to return to it’s roots with Commodore!
Re: "The A1200 Is Officially An Amiga Product"
It should be realistic for Commodore to produce new hardware branded Amiga. Most of the parts are already available through A1200.net who makes cases, keyboards and keycaps for both Amiga 500 and 1200. Good FPGA versions based on 68K versions is also out there. So most of the parts etc, should be possible for Commodore to license, in order to get new versions of the Amiga 1200 in production. Amiga provides the roms and OS, to make it work like the classic system. Commodore also have some of the old engineers like Dave Haynie, which will most likely work on the Amiga line. Amiga needs Commodore and Commodore needs Amiga. Commodore had a strong name behind it, which is needed for brand recognition like back in the day. It will be interesting to see what extra Commodore can provide to a potential Amiga 1200 Ultimate. In order to make it special it needs to both support the original clockspeed, but be able to go beyond a Motorola 060 with RTG support. Things like both RGB and HDMI support with filters like scanlines is a must. Improved audio and 8 channels of Stereo would be nice. Not sure about the disc drive on the side, but if they exclude it they should at least change it with something swappable like SD cards. Commodore did good with the C64U, i hope they can repeat the success with the Amiga!
Re: New Atari Trademark Application Hints At Hardware Refresh For Mr T's Favourite Home Computer
They should focus on the Atari ST instead. This was a highly sought after computer in the 80s that competed with the Commodore Amiga. Since the new Commodore will probably get som licensing deal to produce the Amiga again, it would be cool to see a reissue of the old 520ST from Atari! They should release the slim OG version without the internal disc drive, but include all ports for old accessories like external drives etc. Hopefully we will see this computer based around FPGA, combined with HDMI and USB. Commodore did wonders with the Commodore 64 Ultimate, now it’s Atari’s turn to release something that is not software emulated!
Re: "Super Sidekicks 3 Or Ultimate 11?" - Plaion Wants To Know Which Neo Geo Games You'd Like To See Re-Released
Viewpoint
Cyber Lip
Eight Man
Crossed Swords
King Of Fighters 2003
Last Blade 2
Last Resort
Ninja Commando
Metal Slug 2
Spinmaster
Re: The Neo Geo+ Will Be "Better Than Emulation" Says Modding Legend Furrtek
@AphexAcid Well it’s a joined project, which is promising. It sounds like they are using the existing MISTer FPGA Core for the Neo Geo, extracted and implemented into separate ASIC chips. The MISTer Core is very good, certainly extremely close to a 1:1 implementation of the original system. Since it’s a plus system, it probably comes with a few improvements as well compared to the original. I’m certainly excited, i’d never thought i would see the AES back in production again!
Re: The Neo Geo+ Will Be "Better Than Emulation" Says Modding Legend Furrtek
@Gs69 Jotego is a Wiz when it comes to reverse engineering. The man has converted complex arcade boards into MISTer Cores. This is solid news, and makes the AES+ even more appealing than before. No doubt that he has converted the schematics 100% into the ASIC silicon!
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@zenarcher The situation is very different now than in the past, SNK is owned by another company these days and is focused on quality rather than quantity. Back then SNK had licensing deal with Tommo about making the Neo Geo X, which was based on emulation. From what i recall reading, was that there was a contract breach since the product was poorly made. Both the components and software used was poorly executed, leading to a product that was really badly designed. SNK didn’t want the Neo Geo X to be released, but due to a contract breach Tommo kept producing and selling them, without SNK’s approval. The new Neo Geo AES is made by Plaion in conjunction with SNK, to assure quality control since it’s a licensed product. So the products can’t be compared in any way! Your last argument about EEPROMS, there is no need to use those old chips in 2026, NAND is much cheaper to make and is way faster. Every new modern Neo Geo cart being made these days including Flashcarts use NAND flash!
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Jeffers0n Not that it’s confirmed, but since this is a plus console with hdmi, it will probably contain some kind scaler option to get the right format, in addition to scanlines and filters. This is quite common on modern hdmi mods for retro consoles for example.
Re: "No Emulation, No Compromise, No Comparison" - The $250 Neo Geo+ AES Aims To Be A 1:1 Replica Of SNK's Classic Console
@Serpenterror I don’t know if you read the article, but it does not seem like it. First of all this is a joint venture between SNK and Plaion. The console use real components like ASIC chips. The Zilog (Z08) are still in production, and the Yamaha YM2610 can be obtained new in buckets for peanuts. The Motorola 68000 is a CPU from 1979, it’s not hard to reproduce due to it’s simplicity. It’s not 1991 anymore and something that was premium 35 years ago, is cheap to make today. So this is no clone, it’s as real as those made back in the day, but for the fraction of the price!
Re: Commodore's Official Remake Of Taito's The NewZealand Story Launches Next Month
This is one of many games that doesn’t need a soulless upgrade. The original was made with pixels, and should be kept that way! I also hope Per Fractic and the rest of the crew wins the battle over the Commodore name. They paid millions to be the rightful owner, with the original engineers to back them. Unlike the italian Commodore who just slaps the logo on cheap laptops, Peri’s Commodore brings back the past and put resources into developing new hardware for future!
Re: "People Talk About Physical Being Dead... But We Have A Loyal Community" - Broken Sword Boss On "Defining Your Tribe"
@gojiguy You are totally right about that. It's still a billion dollar industry, but the big publishers tries to push the digital narrative, despite the fact that many still buys physical games. Take Japan, they still buy more physical games than digital, that is certainly not a market that can be ignored. Nintendo sells far more physical games globally for the Switch than digital, that is why the consumers now are upset about their betrayal when it comes to keycards!
Re: "Nintendo Has Made Serious Objections" - Last Ninja Collection Delayed On Consoles
I hope this collection gets a full commercial release in physical form, not just as a Kickstarter exclusive.
Re: "Amiga Lives!" - Apollo A6000 Promises To Pick Up Where Commodore Left Off
This is just expensive and it brings nothing new to the table. At that price it would be expected to contain something new, not specs like an overclocked A1200/A4000. Even the case is 3D printed, at $1000 it should at least have a case that is injection molded. Hopefully Commodore will bring something new to table next year with the Amiga, it will be interesting to see if they can either license or simply buy the rights from the current owners. I would rather see what old engineers like Dave Haynie can cook up, than buying any of those clone systems.
Re: "We're Building The Future Together" - Commodore Has Sold Over 10,000 C64 Ultimate Systems
@boatie Mini and Maxi was never made to be a real Commodore 64, it's cheap emulation with everything that includes made purely for games. Besides both were sold for around $80-130 range. It can't be compared to the Commodore 64 Ultimate, by using FPGA replication as the logic, and all the original ports and connections it becomes much more expensive starting at $299! Just like the Spectrum Next, sales numbers is not comparable since it caters to two different markets!