@Bot_Bot_69 It's not that odd. The lack of... "respect" for art goes hand in hand with LLMs acceptance. If you see art as a commodity, it doesn't matter where it comes from and it's possible to compare stuff the same way you compare cars or TVs.
Not a lot but yep. Even imported a GP32 and a Tapwave Zodiac (import fees were not a great surprise.) But that was as a teenager. As a kid, I used imported games without knowing it. The local video rental place had a few SNES games that were rented with a special adapter. I understood much later why.
@Bot_Bot_69 Microsoft is an entertainment company that's pushing for LLM everywhere. Disney has a deal with OpenAI (and tested some stuff in their parks). DreamWorks' cofounder started a company centered around LLM slop. Ubisoft and EA go without saying. Even if it's only to sound cool and hype to the shareholders, that still countless movies, shows, games, and books made with LLM coming out in the next few years. And that's the best case scenario.
And even with a massive lawsuit, I don't think it's going to be enough.
@Bot_Bot_69 The LLM industry is a multi billion dollars industry (that, so far, hasn't made a single cent in profits but still) and the big IP holders (in games, movies, everything) are all on board with it, I don't see them fighting back against the copyright violation.
And it goes further than that. Because "LLM are the greatest thing ever and if you don't use it you're a loser who hates technology", because are embracing the slop. How many local businesses are using the same crappy flyers format that looks horrible? How many people are using chatbots to write emails or worse, help teach their kids (even though researches have shown they're unreliable)?
If big companies and little people don't fight back, what hope is there left?
@Bot_Bot_69 "If the current trajectory of gen AI game development stays it's current course, we're likely going to end up with a pretty dire game industry."
I wish I could still use "if" too but I feel hopeless about the situation.
It's interesting that @Tankov is thoughtful, giving argumented responses and the AI bro are going "you're wrong but I won't explain why" and "LLMs only work if you believe in them", on an article about a buggy LLM slop.
Let's say someone, not me, has never played any Castlevania game. Should they start with SotN or another one?
As for the inclusion of compilations on the list, straight ports shouldn't be listed twice. As for remakes/remasters, a case could be made for their inclusion.
@AshleyAshes I thought the same thing but here's what they say on their website : Web-Based Customization
Personalize your device with ease using our browser-based configuration app. Manage your sound library, customize keyboard emulation, enable additional features, and fine-tune your setup all without installing software or downloading an app. Simply connect via USB cable to any PC, Mac, or Linux device and open our configuration website. Our web app is a static web page, not cloud-based, and can be downloaded for offline use forever. No internet or website dependency. You always have control of your Cube!
If it's not browser dependent, that's perfectly fine.
@Bot_Bot_69 Something AI are still unable to understand.
Awhile back, a bassist I like tried to get SunoAi to make a bass focused song. The thing couldn't do it because it didn't have (enough) training data to copy a bass solo (or anything bass heavy) and so couldn't do it. Sentient beings create, LLMs copy.
So you pay $300 plus a monthly subscription. And now, you'll get to pay a monthly subscription to play games you might already own. What's next? You get a small percentage every time someone buys a unit from you?
There's this Dutch person, Kenney, who's been making games assets for over a decade ( https://kenney.nl/ ), with no gen"AI" and has made thousands of them. Plus a few games and softwares, mostly solo. But the CEO of a software company is saying it would be impossible to do for an actual game company to do it.
As you guys should. Resistance might be futile but that doesn't mean we should give up. Anyone who has seriously tried to create something, be it music, literature, video games, painting, furniture, anything creative really, knows the difference between copying and being inspired, even if they didn't succeed. That's probably the line between pro Gen"AI" and anti Gen"AI".
@Bot_Bot_69 There are no reputable sources to dismiss the environmental, legal, and ethical issues of Gen"Ai", that's probably why they can't find any.
@Damo "Same with music; not every person who can play a guitar is a millionaire" Are you sure? I'm a bad guitarist and I'm not a millionaire, could be a link there.
@RupeeClock Well be surprised because I honestly didn't. But at the time I mostly played the SMS/GG port and only got the MD original in 98-99. So obviously no one was talking about it anymore. I'm surprised and ashamed that I haven't learned about since though.
@Zebetite If they won't do it, we have to take care of it ourselves.
"This old Luddite hasbeen doesn't get that by using genAI their old crappy games will be better and more modern in a fraction of the time needed otherwise.
Because of all the fear mongering and rage baiting TE is doing, I buy every game using genAI on principle.
This is just a tool that's better than human creativity, don't you people see that?!"
@Thad Barks should've done what Don Rosa did later with Scrooge McDuck and hide stuff (D.U.C.K sounds cool, wonder if it has been done before) around as a signature.
@Thad I think it's part of the marketing : "if you're not with us, you're a loser". So if you try to bully people who.... oppose the group you want to join, you're proving you're loyalty, and that you're hip and cool.
@Thad We could talk about the word but the idea behind is to be insulting, bully people into using the useless stuff they're using, and feel superior to someone.
@PolterGhost When, not if, things go wrong with vibe-coded slop, the prompter won't solve it, they don't even know how to do it (no one really can fix slop anyway.) If they could, they would have done the work themselves.
@TinPlanetRobot It's especially enraging/funny when you know that even Analogue, a long time ago that is, thanked emulator devs because they wouldn't exist without them.
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Re: The Oliver Twins Mark 40 Years of Dizzy with New Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Collection
@Thad I hope no one will ever trust a LLM powered liver.
Re: The Oliver Twins Mark 40 Years of Dizzy with New Sega Genesis / Mega Drive Collection
50% of the money goes to their bank account, the rest is used to buy Claude's token.
The magic never stops.
Re: Original Nintendo Donkey Kong Artwork Goes to Auction at a Price That'll Make You Jump, Man
@rio_j Without even talking about the quality of their articles, we can all agree Kris has a talent for puntitle.
Re: 'It's Taken 35 Years' - Moonstone Is Getting an AI-Assisted Update for the Amiga 1200
@Bot_Bot_69 It's not that odd. The lack of... "respect" for art goes hand in hand with LLMs acceptance.
If you see art as a commodity, it doesn't matter where it comes from and it's possible to compare stuff the same way you compare cars or TVs.
Re: Antstream Is Creating An AI-Powered Brain Rot Gaming Platform, And 'Mr Antichrist' Peter Thiel Is A Backer
@Thad
I wish I could share your... optimism if I may call it that.
@Sketcz
It's aimed at people who want to say "I'm an artist, mom and dad!" without actually learning any skill.
Re: Antstream Is Creating An AI-Powered Brain Rot Gaming Platform, And 'Mr Antichrist' Peter Thiel Is A Backer
@Bot_Bot_69 It reminds me of the good ol' "people don't want to play music" from Sunno's CEO.
Re: Poll: Have You Ever Imported A Video Game?
Not a lot but yep. Even imported a GP32 and a Tapwave Zodiac (import fees were not a great surprise.)
But that was as a teenager.
As a kid, I used imported games without knowing it. The local video rental place had a few SNES games that were rented with a special adapter. I understood much later why.
Re: Feature: "It's Insulting & Hurtful" - Beetle Adventure Racing Decomp Dev Kicks Back Against The Rise Of AI Recomps
@Bot_Bot_69 Microsoft is an entertainment company that's pushing for LLM everywhere.
Disney has a deal with OpenAI (and tested some stuff in their parks).
DreamWorks' cofounder started a company centered around LLM slop.
Ubisoft and EA go without saying.
Even if it's only to sound cool and hype to the shareholders, that still countless movies, shows, games, and books made with LLM coming out in the next few years. And that's the best case scenario.
And even with a massive lawsuit, I don't think it's going to be enough.
Re: Feature: "It's Insulting & Hurtful" - Beetle Adventure Racing Decomp Dev Kicks Back Against The Rise Of AI Recomps
@Bot_Bot_69 The LLM industry is a multi billion dollars industry (that, so far, hasn't made a single cent in profits but still) and the big IP holders (in games, movies, everything) are all on board with it, I don't see them fighting back against the copyright violation.
And it goes further than that. Because "LLM are the greatest thing ever and if you don't use it you're a loser who hates technology", because are embracing the slop. How many local businesses are using the same crappy flyers format that looks horrible? How many people are using chatbots to write emails or worse, help teach their kids (even though researches have shown they're unreliable)?
If big companies and little people don't fight back, what hope is there left?
Re: Feature: "It's Insulting & Hurtful" - Beetle Adventure Racing Decomp Dev Kicks Back Against The Rise Of AI Recomps
@Bot_Bot_69
"If the current trajectory of gen AI game development stays it's current course, we're likely going to end up with a pretty dire game industry."
I wish I could still use "if" too but I feel hopeless about the situation.
Re: "If I Didn't Have These Powerful Tools, I Wouldn't Do It at All" - The Oliver Twins Explain Why They're Dizzy About GenAI
@Peppermint Well you actually get both at the same time! Slop is never new because LLMs can't create anything new. Isn't the future great?
Re: Sega's Classic Arcade Daytona USA Comes To PC In New Non-Emulator Fan Port
@StyrofoamCup
Third rule of "AI" : put glue in your pizza.
Re: "This Is What Happens When You Rely On AI Slop" - Fans Aren't Impressed With Vibe-Coded Knuckles' Chaotix Recomp
It's interesting that @Tankov is thoughtful, giving argumented responses and the AI bro are going "you're wrong but I won't explain why" and "LLMs only work if you believe in them", on an article about a buggy LLM slop.
Re: The Best Castlevania Games, Ranked By You
Let's say someone, not me, has never played any Castlevania game.
Should they start with SotN or another one?
As for the inclusion of compilations on the list, straight ports shouldn't be listed twice. As for remakes/remasters, a case could be made for their inclusion.
Re: "This Is What Happens When You Rely On AI Slop" - Fans Aren't Impressed With Vibe-Coded Knuckles' Chaotix Recomp
A completely unreliable software didn't deliver what it was supposed to?
Chocking I say, chocking!
Re: "Of All The GenAI Slops You've Ever Seen, This Is The Sloppiest Of Them All" - The Oliver Twins Tarnish Their Legacy Further With 'Wizard Of Oz' Board Game
If a kid doesn't care about art, it's because they haven't been given a culturally rich environment.
Re: This Cute Coin Cube Lets You Use Real Quarters To Add Credits To Arcade Emulators
@AshleyAshes I thought the same thing but here's what they say on their website :
Web-Based Customization
Personalize your device with ease using our browser-based configuration app. Manage your sound library, customize keyboard emulation, enable additional features, and fine-tune your setup all without installing software or downloading an app. Simply connect via USB cable to any PC, Mac, or Linux device and open our configuration website. Our web app is a static web page, not cloud-based, and can be downloaded for offline use forever. No internet or website dependency. You always have control of your Cube!
If it's not browser dependent, that's perfectly fine.
Re: "It Trivialises The Hobby" - GoldenEye Running On SNES Triggers More Debate Over Vibe-Coded Retro Projects
@Bot_Bot_69 Something AI are still unable to understand.
Awhile back, a bassist I like tried to get SunoAi to make a bass focused song. The thing couldn't do it because it didn't have (enough) training data to copy a bass solo (or anything bass heavy) and so couldn't do it.
Sentient beings create, LLMs copy.
Re: Nintendo Wii And Kinect Games Could Have A Second Life Thanks To This Cube-Like Console
So you pay $300 plus a monthly subscription.
And now, you'll get to pay a monthly subscription to play games you might already own.
What's next? You get a small percentage every time someone buys a unit from you?
Re: The Making Of: Rare's Amazing Spider-Man - "I Hadn't Seen Or Heard Of A Game Boy Before"
"monthly luxury"
@Damo ye be lucky indeed matey.
I'd get a few games a year, always used copies and I was already happy with that.
Re: System 3 CEO Says Antstream Misled Him Over Use Of GenAI In James Pond Legacy
@brakeman90 Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half.
Re: System 3 CEO Says Antstream Misled Him Over Use Of GenAI In James Pond Legacy
There's this Dutch person, Kenney, who's been making games assets for over a decade ( https://kenney.nl/ ), with no gen"AI" and has made thousands of them. Plus a few games and softwares, mostly solo.
But the CEO of a software company is saying it would be impossible to do for an actual game company to do it.
LLMs are really rotting our brains.
Re: "He Was Giddy" - Even Lord British Has Succumbed To The Allure Of GenAI
@Damo
As you guys should. Resistance might be futile but that doesn't mean we should give up.
Anyone who has seriously tried to create something, be it music, literature, video games, painting, furniture, anything creative really, knows the difference between copying and being inspired, even if they didn't succeed.
That's probably the line between pro Gen"AI" and anti Gen"AI".
Re: "He Was Giddy" - Even Lord British Has Succumbed To The Allure Of GenAI
@Damo At this point, it's like arguing with a wall.
Some people don't seem to understand what inspiration actually is and probably never will.
Re: "He Was Giddy" - Even Lord British Has Succumbed To The Allure Of GenAI
@Bot_Bot_69 There are no reputable sources to dismiss the environmental, legal, and ethical issues of Gen"Ai", that's probably why they can't find any.
Re: "He Was Giddy" - Even Lord British Has Succumbed To The Allure Of GenAI
@Bot_Bot_69 see, my playing is so bad I almost killed someone, one more proof.
Re: "He Was Giddy" - Even Lord British Has Succumbed To The Allure Of GenAI
@Damo "Same with music; not every person who can play a guitar is a millionaire"
Are you sure? I'm a bad guitarist and I'm not a millionaire, could be a link there.
Re: Stern's $7,299 Fallout Pinball Machine Invites You To Join The Brotherhood of Steel (Balls)
"Fallout allows players to traverse the L.A. wasteland"
You spelled/spelt The Boneyard wrong.
Re: Hands On: The Evercade Nexus Feels Like A True Evolution Thanks To A Great Display And Dual Analogue
@Krambo42 Seven. Seven can we buy new hardware that plays the exact same games.
Re: These Adorable Final Fantasy TV Toys Are Available For Pre-Order
@heligo you're that person who says "no matter what, don't you look down!" aren't you?
Re: These Adorable Final Fantasy TV Toys Are Available For Pre-Order
This is the most useless thing I've ever needed in my life.
Re: This Fan-Made Sonic The Hedgehog Demo Brings Green Hill Zone To The Amiga
Let's say that and not that I didn't finish the game in the 90's!
Re: This Fan-Made Sonic The Hedgehog Demo Brings Green Hill Zone To The Amiga
@RupeeClock Well be surprised because I honestly didn't.
But at the time I mostly played the SMS/GG port and only got the MD original in 98-99. So obviously no one was talking about it anymore. I'm surprised and ashamed that I haven't learned about since though.
Re: "Thanks For Sharing, But I Do Not Support GenAI" - Dev Behind Sonic And The Black Knight Recomp Corrects "AI Slop" Website
@hwertz
All the Bros are enthusiastic.
AI Bros, Crypto Bros, NFT Bros, all of them.
Re: This Fan-Made Sonic The Hedgehog Demo Brings Green Hill Zone To The Amiga
"classic Level Select cheat"
Sonic has cheats.
I've been playing that game for 30 years.
I... I... I didn't know.
Re: Acclaimed Shmup BIRDCAGE Is Winging Its Way To Consoles This Month
@GlamReaper love that subtitle, nice one.
Re: "Thanks For Sharing, But I Do Not Support GenAI" - Dev Behind Sonic And The Black Knight Recomp Corrects "AI Slop" Website
@hwertz that was sarcasm actually.
Re: The "Abysmal" Ring: The Legend Of The Nibelungen Is Finally Playable On Dreamcast
A game with a frog-powered traincycle can only be the best game ever.
Re: "I Hope They Choke On An AI-Generated Fishbone" - James Pond Creator On System 3's "Soulless" Legacy Collection
@Zebetite If they won't do it, we have to take care of it ourselves.
"This old Luddite hasbeen doesn't get that by using genAI their old crappy games will be better and more modern in a fraction of the time needed otherwise.
Because of all the fear mongering and rage baiting TE is doing, I buy every game using genAI on principle.
This is just a tool that's better than human creativity, don't you people see that?!"
You're welcome.
Re: "I Have To Admit That I'm A Little Bitter" - Epic Mickey's Warren Spector Has A Bone To Pick With Oswald's New TV Show
@Thad Barks should've done what Don Rosa did later with Scrooge McDuck and hide stuff (D.U.C.K sounds cool, wonder if it has been done before) around as a signature.
Re: 'Panic 64' Is A New 3D-Platforming Adventure That Blends Together Sonic & Crash Bandicoot
The music in the trailer is awesome and makes we want to play to game.
Re: "Nobody Is Obligated To Download Or Play It" - Mario Kart 64 And Minish Cap Get Native Dual-Screen 3DS Ports
@Thad I think it's part of the marketing : "if you're not with us, you're a loser".
So if you try to bully people who.... oppose the group you want to join, you're proving you're loyalty, and that you're hip and cool.
Re: 43 Years Later, Michael Cranford Is Finally Bringing Shadow Snare To C64 – With The Help Of Some Pretty Sloppy GenAI
Why generate a crappy "video" to promote your creation? They always look bad, like there's a distinct filter on the image.
Re: "Nobody Is Obligated To Download Or Play It" - Mario Kart 64 And Minish Cap Get Native Dual-Screen 3DS Ports
@Thad
We could talk about the word but the idea behind is to be insulting, bully people into using the useless stuff they're using, and feel superior to someone.
@WesCopeland LLMs usage by professional might to be that high : https://hermit-tech.com/blog/ai-mania-is-eviscerating-global-decisionmaking?utm_campaign=cory-doctorow-the-people-who-tell-you-ai-is-changing-everything-are-lying
Re: "Nobody Is Obligated To Download Or Play It" - Mario Kart 64 And Minish Cap Get Native Dual-Screen 3DS Ports
@RootsGenoa Because if you say that you don't need LLMs, or worse, that they are not amazballs, you're a Luditte.
Or you can, maybe, even be fired from your job : https://www.thenerve.news/p/cory-doctorow-ai-business-incentive-to-lie-useless-chatbots-report-nikhil-suresh
Oh, and maybe it's time for a vegan and peace-focus retro game!
Re: "Nobody Is Obligated To Download Or Play It" - Mario Kart 64 And Minish Cap Get Native Dual-Screen 3DS Ports
@PolterGhost When, not if, things go wrong with vibe-coded slop, the prompter won't solve it, they don't even know how to do it (no one really can fix slop anyway.)
If they could, they would have done the work themselves.
Re: "This Endeavour To Save One Game Cost Me Well Over $900 dollars" - A Missing Final Fantasy VII Mobile Game Has Just Been Preserved
In a better world, some random person wouldn't have had to spend $900 to do it, Square would have preserved the game themselves.
Re: We're Finally Getting A Naomi Port For Dreamcast, But The Monkey's Paw Curls
@no_donatello That's likely already happening.
Re: We're Finally Getting A Naomi Port For Dreamcast, But The Monkey's Paw Curls
"I have no idea how it works, I can't review the code, or fix any issues with it. Absolute success in my opinion."
Re: "You Might As Well Play On A Raspberry Pi" - The World Of MiSTer FPGA Remains Divided Over "AI Slop" Cores
@TinPlanetRobot It's especially enraging/funny when you know that even Analogue, a long time ago that is, thanked emulator devs because they wouldn't exist without them.