It's fair to say that the launch of the Polymega pre-order campaign didn't exactly go according to plan. The Polymega site was subjected to an attack just as the campaign went live which sent it down for a few days and meant many people weren't able to place their orders, and when the dust had settled there were complaints from potential customers regarding changes to the console's internal architecture.
Perhaps the most alarming thing for many retro purists was that the footage shown in the latest trailer for the console featured video footage of what appeared to be the arcade version of Sega Rally, and not the Saturn one, as was claimed. Given that Saturn emulation is tremendously processor-intensive, some assumed this was to cover up the fact that Polymega's Saturn-aping skills weren't quite ready yet.
Polymega has since responded to this claim by pointing out that the wrong footage was used by mistake, and has released a video showing 25 minutes of unedited Saturn gameplay taken directly from the console itself. As you can see, everything runs perfectly - and we also get a wee look at the Polymega's gorgeous UI.
You can register your interest in Polymega on the console's official site, which is now behaving itself.
This article was originally published by nintendolife.com on Wed 19th September, 2018.
So, how much is for Polymega ?
It looks great on the video but I still have a lot of unanswered questions about the Saturn compatibility, namely whether PAL games run in 50 or 60hz, and whether you can use games that require the 4mb RAM cartridge.
@Anti-Matter $250 for the base unit (including CD drive) and a controller. All the info is on their website, which is linked in the article.
so much coverage ... perhaps it's just me wondering why...
@SenseiDje You're not interested in a console that can play pretty much every major retro format of the past few decades, including NES, SNES and potentially N64?
Ha, completely forgot about Guardian Heros, man I played that game to death
I’d personally love a Saturn Classic Mini in the same vein as NES/SNES/PS1. This Polymega certainly looks intriguing, but isn’t something I’ll ever buy given its price. I would love a convenient way to enjoy some of the best Saturn games, as it’s a console I’ll never purchase or collect for (I missed that boat!), but I’d love to play some of the games.
Doesn’t look promising though, given what I hear about the difficulty in emulation. Can’t imagine SEGA or ATgames are up to the task going from their recent efforts.
@GravyThief Yep, I feel the exact same.
I think retro gamers, generally, are much more of a casual consumer. Seems Polymega is targeting the higher disposable income of a 30 something year old, but, for me at least, the problem is with having to buy the games separately. I can't see this doing anywhere near the volume it will need to in order to be deemed a success...
I'm happy waiting, patiently for now, for SEGA to walk away from ATgames and find a new partner to bring a solid emulation package to MasterSystem, Mega Drive, DreamCast and Saturn - even if it means, what 5 years at least(?) before Saturn gets it's turn :/
This just gets more hilarious every time they try.
1. This is footage ripped off a Rhea modified Saturn - the mod that loads discs off an SD card.
2. Notice how they "select" a game off of their menu, and suddenly it's right into the game play? Gotta switch the video feed over to the real deal, that someone actually put the hard work into and pulled off. Creative editing, points for that.
3. Notice how there is still no footage of the "console" and its "controllers"? They don't even bother show a the disc into a disc drive.
The jig is up, it always was, posting video from the wrong game - it had to happen sooner or later. The thing about keeping a lie going is that it gets harder and harder to remember what lies you told. This thing is finally folding like the house of cards it always was. Anyone that committed your hard-earned money to this, claw it back now before it's too late!
Maybe a subtle point, but it can emulate a bunch of consoles pretty much like any modern PC.
@Damo I mean, isn't that the big bad piracy man? For some reason, I don't think Nintendo would find this to be, "chill."
But, the Switch already does that, so I'm whatever color disinterested is.
@nonprophetmusic You use original media with this console - how is that piracy?
@Damo I was so hyped and on board with this system for the past 2 years. Then they made those sweeping changes last minute and it lost me. No FPGA broke my(and many hardcore gamers') faith in the system for the moment. I turned around that day and bought a Super NT instead.
I believe that it plays Saturn games and I'm still interested in the base unit but no way will I bite before reviews. Overall a huge disappointment.
@nonprophetmusic You can't load ROMs onto it directly, you have to use original cartridges and discs.
EDIT: God damn it @Damo, let me defend you myself, stop sticking your nose in
@lillith How do you know it was taken from a Rhea-modded Saturn? Have they admitted that?
@SDF_Macross77 FPGA isn't 'gone' - it's in the modules, which makes a lot more sense when you think about it. How would the FPGA inside the base unit be changed to run future formats? Having in the modules means you can have more accurate emulation over time, as more modules are released.
@Damo But that's the thing: it's not in the modules. I would be perfectly happy with that. All 4 launch modules have no FPGA. The Famicom module will have one if it gets made which is cool but no modules past these starting 4 are guaranteed to be made, let alone contain an FPGA. Especially at the current rate the system is preordering for. They mentioned that maybe a future SNES module will get FPGA but that means I either wait an untold amount of time or I double dip. This last minute crowd fund campaign puts future modules in doubt.
How have I not heard of this? This looks incredible!
The one downside is that it is emulation, not hardware designed to mimic the original, but I guess that wouldn't be possible if you want to play games from so many systems.
Used to love saga rally championship on pc was great
@Anti-Matter $249 for the base, which can play CDs out of the box. $69 for each additional module, which can play cartridges.
its a great looking system but at that price im not the target market. i would also love to see a saturn mini! maybe that could happen now sony are doing a ps1 mini.
@Damo said " How would the FPGA inside the base unit be changed to run future formats? "
What a daft question. It's a field-programmable gate array! That is what it has been designed to do. To be configured by the customer or manufacturer 'after' production. The FPGA 'should' be in the base system. And it should receive instructions from the modules. Not the other way around. @lillith above is spot on. The whole premise is just redundant. We should be beyond these types of designs that merely 'trigger' an emulation. And how on earth is the machine going to run Panzer Dragoon Saga? When the source code for that game is reportedly lost? It is perfectly possible, with a little bit of hard work, to design a modular machine to replicate different hardware configurations reading from the original media, as opposed to 'trigger emulate' software.
@Mark-number-12 I understand how FPGA works, but having to alter the setup of the chip every time a new module is inserted would be tricky, and the process of upgrading when new systems are supported would also be hard. It makes more sense to have FPGA chips in the modules, so they're dedicated to a single system.
If all of this were so easy, then we'd already have an all-in-one wonder system that has a single FPGA chip and runs every single console perfectly.
This is the first time I've heard of the Polymega, let me look into this... wait??? No NeoGeo Pocket Color?!?! Garbage!!!
@Damo: They don't have to admit it, it's plain as day. Unless they have written their own emulator with 100% perfect emulation since announcing their change in hardware ... and that would be a first, because there is no Saturn emulator that runs Saturn games as well as you see in that video. That footage is piped from a real Saturn, using an RGB-SCART cable. I would thrown down a challenge right now for them to prove otherwise, with a proper one take video that displays the console, how it works, and how they managed to perfect Saturn emulation from the original discs. But they won't do that, because they can't do that. If that video posted up there fools anyone, then it's time to get off the internet before they accept a money transfer from a Nigerian prince.
Like I said in one of the other threads, what these guys are shilling is a fancier emulator front-end than retroarch. Anyone should be able to look at the sum of everything they've put out thus far from announcement to this silliness, and realize it's a scam.
@Damo as a huge retro gaming enthusiast, I can’t help myself to find something suspiscious about this device... and the massive coverage ( para official support?!?) here in NL.
As an Ex nds homebrew coder, I can make a clear frontier between homebrew and
Piracy, but I feel there is still shaddy (at best) about Polymega. And the messy (deceptive) communcication isn’t helping.
Fool me once, shame on you...
I’ve been fooled so many times by bells and whistles, crowfunding scam...
@lillith So let me get this right - you have no evidence to support your opinion that this is running on a Rhea Saturn? It's just your suspicion?
Given that my smartphone is capable of running Saturn to a decent degree, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt here. Plus, what have they got to gain by this? Saturn was never part of the lineup until pre-orders opened, by which point anyone who wanted to buy one was already lined up and waiting. Surely, if this was smoke and mirrors, they would have confirmed Saturn months ago, when it was first announced?
@SenseiDje Loads of sites have covered this, we're far from the only ones. And we cover LOADS of retro hardware - we were the first major site to have a Neo Geo Mini review, we've covered Sega clone systems, Retro-Bit devices, Hyperkin consoles and much more besides.
@lillith , hum, so you’re a mentalist ?!😊
Now, please, get out my mind 😊
@Damo I just don't think we are going to get many fpga modules, if any. You have more faith than I. I'd love to see it but I need more than vague promises. Especially with all the last minute changes.
@Damo maybe a bit of fact checking and / or debunk should clarify the NL editorial line... and be something more usefull than a retweeter of WIP ...
I agree this screams scam, show some actual footage of the hardware or of a saturn disc being loaded into the system, it's way to easy to manipulate this sort of stuff and given their arcade footage folly this should really be taken with a grain of salt. The whole idea of saturn emulation being added last minute is kind of fishy to me and seems like it's something they added to make up for the people that jumped off board after they announced no fpga.
@Damo The evidence IS the video. Go grab yourself a Saturn emulator for the PC. Any one. There aren't many.. SSF is probably the best. Load up any of the games they showed in the video, and try and duplicate what you see. @tguk911 has it right on - people were jumping ship, and they had to do something. If they had consulted anyone who has been in the emulation community as long as I have, we would have told them not to try and fake the Saturn, because Saturn emulation is a bit crap. Always has been. If only there -was- a Saturn emulator that good!
I would be willing to dedicate the time to an expose to call them out. I think it would be a lot of fun. I do enjoy helping people to save money.
The way I see it if I want to buy and play the original games then I also want to play them on their original console, ok so this machine here may display them better on an HDTV however there are options these days to get the best picture out of the old consoles. I can see the benefit to the PolyMega, it saves both space and money (because buying all the old consoles and modding them would cost a lot more) and also time, however it is not for me... just my opinion
@Mark-number-12 how does the lost source code of Panzer Dragoon Saga factor in to running the game off disc or from an image file?
Seriously, with the level of quality these guys have clearly demonstrated in every single other ares of these system's designs and implementation, from the console modules and controllers to the menu design and user interface, I'm surprised people seriously thought they were trying to dupe them with the Saturn emulation. This thing just looks like pure quality from everything I've seen.
Oh, shoot, well that's actually relatively nifty. I guess my perusing needs some... tweakin'. Turned up a level or some such.
And don't worry, Alex, I know you the guy.
Damien, you also the guy. Trip, not.
I don’t get this negativity towards Polymega, I’m 100% sure none of the “conspiracy theorist” have actually tried Saturn emulation in it’s current stage, I have it running on my arcade machine using mednafen (and ssf before that) and it will run these games pretty much exactly like these videos show, it was stated that they use a custom mednafen build anyway, even yabause is making big strides these days and the “heavy” cpu load is also something in the past as I run it on a standard Ryzen 5 with Vega On Board graphics.
So just stop b*tchin and have some respect for what they are trying to do it’s a a very well made emulation console in the vain of the Retron machines or any of the ”mini” consoles so popular nowadays, just better build and more modular, ok FPGA would be nice but also more expensive.
Why is this news super exciting to me when I have a working Saturn currently hooked up to my TV???
@SegaBlueSky There would be problems there, PAL SEGA Rally was optimised for full screen / speed at 50Hz, same with Virtua Fighter 2. Forcing them to 60Hz on a modded Saturn cuts the top and the bottom of the image off, they also run too fast! Forcing Guardian Heros to 60Hz glitches the game. You will also often get sound syncing issues when forcing PAL games to 60Hz, at least on an actual Saturn, I dont have an emulator.
I'd be interested to see if the Japanese games needing a RAM cart would work too... Though to be honest, as a Saturn collector, this would not appeal to me anyway.
Wow, at people accusing this site of promoting piracy again when it always takes a strong stance against that. You guys are literally seeing ghosts everywhere nowadays.
I'm the first one to call them out for bias but this article doesn't even seem biased. I mean if I was one for conspiracies I'd wonder why a bunch of accounts have the same opinion AND express it the same way myself.
But I'm not paranoid so....
Tap here to load 42 comments
Leave A Comment
Hold on there, you need to login to post a comment...