@BadAstroZA Totally agree. The anti AI whackos really grate. With proper oversight and testing AI can now do stunning work surpassing most competent devs. If you think otherwise you are not a full time coder in any position of responsibility.

@BinaryMessiah AI has done such astounding work in my company (business coding) for me it is really hard for me to personally dislike it. I have learnt the hard way the right amount of control to give it and where to direct and control the architecture and when/when not to delegate. It's done wonders. It's dangerous in the wrong hands or for some inexperienced coder who doesn't know how to test or control the architecture to trust blindly but in the right hands its an amazing tool. It's far closer to my job of 30 years than others so I get why most general public goes blah-blah-*****-done-nothing-for-me. On the note about plaguerism. If you teach a kid to draw anime and he does a fan art of his favourite show is that plaguerism cos he was trained on source material? How is training a silicon brain on source material so completely different? As an AI brain uses diffussion noise to create essential "new" never seen before works the comparison to plaguerism of old in my mind is just unfair simply because its not a carbon copy. The AI brain learnt the STYLE and can manufacture new content in a given style. People talk like its a memory of cut and paste image parts frankensteined together but its more akin to an actual brain creating new from old. I feel the judgements on plaguerism are currently too black and white and the existing worldwide machinery of copyright law is ill equiped to handle the new tech fairly.

@Bot_Bot_69 But I defecated on an AI-friendly devs doorstep and took the risk cos he had a Ring doorbell and still no club membership? tough crowd

@Bot_Bot_69 I hate AI. Am I fashionable now mommy? I said what all the big boys on Steam said (and by big boys I mean people that ***** post about AI with loud hysterical voices cos groupthink is me!). I get it you wanna fit in. Yeah AI is terrible. You guys inspired me. If you tell me you made your game with AI then I will not only not buy it, I will defecate on your doorstep. My AI hate is louder now mommy can I join the gang?

No I just object the hysteria and utterly disproportionate hate AI gets in game development. The real problem is not about this game. It's about the "anything that went near AI sucks" mentality which I disagree with. What will ultimately happen is all the anti-AI fanatics will eventually hate on a genuinely good AI tooled game. This will then be divisive and dilute the credibility of the but-we-just-hate-anything-AI movement. I can certainly wait for that inevitability. In the meantime enjoy the wholesome crusader vibes of AI is killing art. BTW home taping is killing music.
And... "Pocket calculators will ensure children never learn mathematics." The National Council of Teachers of Mathematics faced fierce resistance in the mid-1970s, with school boards and editorial boards claiming basic arithmetic would entirely vanish from society within a generation.

That's you lot on AI.

@OdysseyPoint It's just not true to suggest that devs using AI don't care about making something good. It's a tool like any other and should be seen as such. Would you fire an accountant for using a calculator rather than working out the answers on a sheet of paper? Would they lose their job for being lazy and not doing the sums properly on paper or is a calculator a legit tool? This is the nonsense of broadstroke AI hate. Just because there exists some poor quality use cases and devs that don't care does not automatically make the technology bad. Should we ban all computers because some pedo downloaded some illegal images? No - his use case doesn't mean you are doing that on your computer. This is the problem with this absurd "all AI is bad" childlike mentality. It doesn't recognise the nuance of the topic and the good massive time savings developers can get from the technology. It makes the unqualified assumption that anything touching AI is automatically low-effort and that is not only wrong but super lazy thinking.

@H_Hog That's where you're wrong. The underlying principles and methods developed for image generation and other AI strategies can often be repurposed across multiple fields. Take the current diffusion models used for state of the art image gen. Google has worked on repurposing the underlying diffussion method as a parallel replacement for the serial nature of LLMs. That is denoising entire answers rather than sequentially generating tokens. To make a nooblike assumption that the components and methods of AI employed in their current roles dictate that the technology must indefinitely remain locked in those current roles fails to understand the broader power of the algorithms and architectures we are discussing. It's a bit like seeing facial recognition tech spot criminals in a crowd and not realising the same transfer learning model could be repurposed to spot cancer cells.
This is the danger of broadstroke AI hate and the low-IQ mob mentality of deeming everything remotely touched by AI as AI slop.
Sadly the only slop I see these days comes out of the mouths of misinformed AI-haters wasting their energy berating any developers that use AI (which is ALL of them in some capacity) to the point that every dev on Steam has to hide their AI use just to pacify the angry circlejerk of lazy thinking sheeple engaged in this misguided AI witch hunt.

@bring_on_branstons It would be my buy list. Gonna support those AI-using guys to the hilt. It's the future of gaming. To be specific, ones who use it responsibly rather than using it to churn out low-quality content. The two concepts are sadly not equivalent and unfortunately in many places like reddit and here non-developers take an overly simplified view that anything remotely touched by AI is inherently bad and that is absolutely nonsense.

@gojiguy Why are there quote marks around "it most definitely is" who were you quoting?

Wow GordonBennett let me get this right, because I don't hate AI and am in favour of its use and avidly support it you say that must mean I "huff paint". Bless you mate and your quest to banish AI. Good luck. Maybe if enough balding guys on retro game forums could band together we could all close this dreadful AI Pandora's box? I mean if we shut down AI altogether we'd be shutting down breakthrough state of the art research into anti cancer drugs. Maybe we could form a little committee drinking real ale in a country pub reminiscing about Jet Set Willy while drafting a stern letter to Sam Altman with an ultimatum telling him to keep his grubby little fingers out of retro games but leave the cancer stuff alone or are we saying its all bad?

@GordonBennet I think you've made the right decision. Sorry my view differs from yours and it makes you all "hunt the guy who's not anti AI like us." Awww, somebody said something different. These outsiders not willing to join in the hate!

@GameManAdvance There's nothing "spiteful" about what I said it's my belief although that as it differs from yours you seem to think its ok to brand my views "spiteful". I believe the hysteria over AI content is unfounded and based purely on knee-jerk generalised reactions to low effort productions. AI enables competent coders to develop faster and competent artists to avoid tedious chores that would have otherwise taken way longer. It's a tool like any other but listen to you, you're like a car worker in a factory in the 1970's afraid of the robots. Hating all AI because you saw some poor quality content from some AI. That's irrational at best in my view. And as for you not caring you cared enough to reply LOL.

@mjparker77 Bit flattering to claim the original Manic Miner had "physics" when it just had a basic jump with gravity on the player only. No interactions between bodies just basic collision detection. No other objects in the game affected by gravity. Hardly physics. It had physics the same way it had an OST.

All the pitchfork waving AI hate is pathetic. I will go out of my way to buy AI games just to stand up to this technophobic nonsense.